this.

i've the same idea

what no wolf eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a great list and fairly good barometer of folk on here respect to the demon!

loveless was my number one and im not gonna deny that! adam i disagreed before and i will do again but thats life isnt it!


shellac and pavement.. although great great albums..... they are not quite trout mask replica or fun house now are they (albeit 2 albums which bore me senseless) they are classics!

now for the neg rep!

No shit. You posted your opinion, I posted mine. Whatever you read into my posts, I never said my opinion was definitive, just the drum sound on Loveless sucks and lots of people think so. I'm not proving a point; just saying, "Hey, lots of people think this! THat doesn't mean you have to think that!"

People don't have to keep going "duh it's personal taste!" This is a MESSAGE BOARD for DISCUSSION. Obviously people have opinions, otherwise it'd just be Moshe's news story posts.

Also, Byron, I agree that Loveliescrushing wouldn't exist without Loveless. I still think all their albums are greater than Loveless. :)

punky brewster's lookin rough! maybe she shoudl not have remioved half her titties?

i owe you an apology adam....... i think i may have picked you up a bit too literally.... yes the drum sound sucks on loveless but that doesnt matter in my opinion..its not a drum based album.....

dont you love opinons and their bringers... thats what makes this forum real good... opinionated stubborn bastards like you and me and them and us!

long live the bickering!!!

Right, exactly. I think oftentimes people end up agreeing with me and vice-versa but it's hard to totally convey your feelings on certain things over the internet without going into complex details.

When I say "the drum sound sucks" it doesn't mean that I'm saying the album is 100% brought down by it... I just find the drums amusing and distracting at times and wish they had a better sound. Not really much else to say.

Loveless is an inventive album, and definitely influential, but it just wanders along too much for my ears. The whole things sounds vaguely unfinished. Like a series of sketches to be crafted into something coherent later.

Yeah, I think that way too.

I really do like Isn't Anything, though it isn't flawless either. At least it rocks.

The only thing I really like on Isn't Anything is 'Feed Me with your Kiss'. The rest of it just washes over me. In the case of Loveless, had it been reduced to only 'When You Sleep', 'I Only Said', 'Come in Alone' and 'Soon' you'd have one of the greatest EPs imaginable, but too much of the rest seems slightly half-baked.

"Feed me with your kiss" IS a masterpiece but so is "Sueisfine"...

I dunno, they're a good band. Just not great.

I dunno, maybe they are a great band, certainly enough people think they are. Maybe it's just that I don't like them much. Led Zeppelin are a great band, that I can't listen to at all. But they're still great.

Well, I agree with that to an extent... but the same could be said about any band you don't like, because a lot of people will always love a band even if they're terrible.

For example, Mars Volta are not by any stretch of the imagination, a great band, despite fooling some people into believing they are. Haha.

Yes but I wouldn't respect the opinion of someone who described Mars Volta as great, but many people whose taste I do respect have described Led Zep or MBV as such.

I can see that.

Yes, I was a little over the top there. I do also like '(When You Wake) You're Still in a Dream'. Although I do find the vocals on almost all MBV tracks really difficult to like.

Aw, really? I think the vocals are the best part.

"You Made Me Realize" has some of the best vocals I've ever heard. Very melodic and harmonious... whoo!

Whatever my thoughts on it, I do like to think that there's an album made by a different band, released around the same period as the winner, that has been adopted so fully by SY fans. Of all the albums in that final ten, I'm sort of glad that Loveless is where it's at. What's more, I wouldn't be surprised if just such a list drawn up on a MBV board didn't have Loveless at number one and DDN at number two. Most people I know for whom MBV are their avourite band tend to like SY almost as much.