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Severian 02.12.2019 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
My gf recently started reading a copy of William S. Burroughs' Junkie which a friend at work loaned her.

Guess she didnt realize I had a copy alongside both Queer and Naked Lunch sitting on the bookshelf in my basement. I've read both Junkie and Naked Lunch, but dont remember much.

Am I wrong in thinking that Burroughs is overrated? Like "ooo look at me I can rearrange sentences in nonsensical orders and I'm hooked on drugs and also gay woohoo"

Compared to like Vonnegut or someone, isnt Burroughs mostly read by pretentious twits?

What about Pynchon? Is he in the same boat or is Gravity's Rainbow actually enlightening? Was Burroughs' Naked Lunch even all that good? I'm certain the majority of it went over my head when I was like 17.

*continues making his way through Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind*



Name of the Wind is a great book!

So is the sequel, “The Wise Man’s Fear.”

Still waiting for that third one.

Nice choice. I bought NOTW based on cover alone around the time it came out, and I was in a really big “literary fantasy” phase, and boy did it hit the spot.

!@#$%! 02.12.2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I've never read Pynchon .

pynchon is a postmodern postjoycean american who stuffs his meandering tales with erudite references of the popular kind. popxerudite. thurns and taxis.

very 60s

i can’t really connect with the guy, he puts me to sleep, but the movie that was made about his novel was good and hilarious and watch it

INHERENT VICE

some things are better in translation. especially after some things are lost in it. like 500 pages maybe.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.12.2019 10:04 PM

I found a copy of Inherent Vice at the dollar store once. Had to buy it out of principle tbh. It sits on my shelf unread still

I'm not very well read. It's a rather large chip on my shoulder. Still, I read more than most friends. Will keep an eye out for anything by Chandler, Bukowski, and Selby i can add to my personal library.

I'm also going through a "literary fantasy" phase atm, Severian

Severian 02.12.2019 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
I found a copy of Inherent Vice at the dollar store once. Had to buy it out of principle tbh. It sits on my shelf unread still

I'm not very well read. It's a rather large chip on my shoulder. Still, I read more than most friends. Will keep an eye out for anything by Chandler, Bukowski, and Selby i can add to my personal library.

I'm also going through a "literary fantasy" phase atm, Severian


You read any Gene Wolfe?

Shit will knock your socks off. Rob couldn’t hack it. Pick up “Shadow of the Torturer” someday. Way different kind of deal than NOTW, but great. Throws you right into a world that feels both antique and post-apocalyptic... Dickensian shit. Asks a lot of the reader, but it’s worth it.

tw2113 02.12.2019 10:24 PM

Definitely slowed down all in all with my reading pace in 2019, though I also started with a larger item. Almost through The Shining, and technically started it at the tail end of 2018.


Pretty sure by this time in 2018, I was already through The Hobbit and the first Lord of the Rings. Alas, this is also intentional :D

!@#$%! 02.12.2019 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
I'm not very well read. It's a rather large chip on my shoulder.

don’t!

if you let your tastes guide you, you’ll pile up a large mountain by old age, without even trying

but let your tastes guide you! don’t feel obligated to finish a book just because you opened it or because someone said so or because some snob raised an eyebrow

by all mean check out interesting suggestions but you don’t owe anything to anyone. know what i mean?

(this is why i love the library... no cost to browse)

demonrail666 02.13.2019 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
pynchon is a postmodern postjoycean american who stuffs his meandering tales with erudite references of the popular kind. popxerudite. thurns and taxis.

very 60s

i can’t really connect with the guy, he puts me to sleep, but the movie that was made about his novel was good and hilarious and watch it

INHERENT VICE

some things are better in translation. especially after some things are lost in it. like 500 pages maybe.


I saw the film and remember enjoying it but it wasn't really my thing.

Rob Instigator 02.13.2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I've never read Pynchon so can't compare them but, out of interest, do you like writers like Chandler or Dashiel Hammett, or even James Ellroy? I'm only talking in terms of their prose style (rather than subject matter) cos I get the feeling people who like that super hardboiled-style have a natural affinity with Burroughs. But as much as I'm a fan of it, I know that not everyone clicks with it.





I also find Chandler and Hammett dull. I do not read much crime fiction, or fiction for that matter. Never read Elroy. I find Cormac McCarthy boring too.

Rob Instigator 02.13.2019 08:42 AM

Inherent Vice was the worst fucking thing in the past 2 years I suffered my eyes and mind and ears to sit through before walking out after 30 minutes......and I sat through all 5 hours of Che'.

ilduclo 02.13.2019 09:31 AM

Burroughs was great. In the pantheon with Melville and Faulkner.

!@#$%! 02.13.2019 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Inherent Vice was the worst fucking thing in the past 2 years I suffered my eyes and mind and ears to sit through before walking out after 30 minutes......and I sat through all 5 hours of Che'.

haaa haaa haaaaa!

that’s a funny comparison

i think i sat through che as well, and liked it, with ideological reservations, but it was in parts, no?

i remember inherent vice as a hilarious romp. can’t tell you much more about it. but for me it was fun.

 

 


and... what happened?

cant remember but i’d watch again to find out hahaha

Rob Instigator 02.13.2019 09:40 AM

Inherent Vice, the film (have not read the book) was like a very humorless mashup of Fletch and Big Lebowski. Fucking SLOG

!@#$%! 02.13.2019 09:42 AM

i saw it more as a fear and loathing thing sorta

what is fletch? nm i’ll google.

!@#$%! 02.13.2019 11:18 AM

haaa haaaa haaa! just read about fletch. a lot of similarities!

pynchon plagiarized some of it maybe? hahaha.

holy fuck....

he ripped off gregory mcdonald...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Mcdonald

!@#$%! 02.13.2019 11:38 AM

(because i got obsessed now)

The private eye form provides Pynchon with a vehicle for investigating the question of who lost, or stole, or killed, or brainwashed, or denatured the Sixties—never mind that no satisfying answer could conceivably be forthcoming. Pynchon seems to have ingested an entire archive of genre variations, ranging from the classic forms of Raymond Chandler and Ross Macdonald to every subspecies of pastiche and burlesque: Roger L. Simon’s pot-smoking detective Moses Wine, Gregory MacDonald’s Fletch, the Coen Brothers’ Dude in The Big Lebowski, a hundred TV spinoffs. It’s not a question of homage but of throwing absolutely everything into the mix for processing, every stray particle of a commonly shared culture—every joke good or bad that you ever heard, every commercial you couldn’t escape from, every sex fantasy or tabloid crime story that inhabited your dreams, every tag line dredged up from ancient comic strips or pulp stories. This is a book that derives a good part of its narrative arc from an investigation into the cryptic message: “Beware the Golden Fang.”



https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/0...inherent-vice/

Rob Instigator 02.13.2019 01:14 PM

Makes sense.


Shame the film was humorless....and I have sat through The Master!!!!

!@#$%! 02.13.2019 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Makes sense.


Shame the film was humorless....and I have sat through The Master!!!!

was it humorless?

i remember laughing and laughing

maybe i dreamed it...

Severian 02.13.2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Inherent Vice, the film (have not read the book) was like a very humorless mashup of Fletch and Big Lebowski. Fucking SLOG


It was a shit film. I’m a fan of the book, but the movie was garbage. It didn’t need to be, either. It had all the right parts. They just formed mush when put together. Fucking mush.

I turned it off ¾ of the way through and never started it again.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.13.2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
 



Oh great, she's in "the pose". Excuse me while I wank it for an hour.

Severian 02.13.2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Oh great, she's in "the pose". Excuse me while I wank it for an hour.


What’s the deal with your Moon Knight avatar?

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.13.2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
What’s the deal with your Moon Knight avatar?


He's the third greatest superhero of all time. That's from the Fist of Khonshu run. I own so many Moon Knight comics, even used to own his debut appearance (Werewolf by Night #32 and #33) before I sold those for $$$. I looove me some Moon Knight.

My personal list of favorites...

1. Spider-Man
2. Daredevil
3. Moon Knight

Severian 02.13.2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
He's the third greatest superhero of all time. That's from the Fist of Khonshu run. I own so many Moon Knight comics, even used to own his debut appearance (Werewolf by Night #32 and #33) before I sold those for $$$. I looove me some Moon Knight.

My personal list of favorites...

1. Spider-Man
2. Daredevil
3. Moon Knight


Cool! He’s basically just crazy Batman, maybe with God powers sometimes,, but I like him too.

Daredevil, Thor and Cap are my favorites from Marvel. Moon Knight is super underrated though. I feel like he’d make for a decent adaptation if they picked the right source material and tweaked a bit for the screen.

:)

Is that what he had on his chest in his first appearance? I’ve never seen emblem on his costume before. Always, just, y’onow, moons.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.13.2019 11:38 PM

Moon Knight has a super weird back story. Everything about the character is weird tbh.

So... Marc Spector was a mercenary nearly killed out in Egypt before a statue of a god named Khonshu. In his last breath of life, Marc has a vision of Khonshu who offers to revitalize him if he promises to carry out Khonshu's name and image. He proceeds to dawn the silver cloak he finds on the statue of Khonshu, gets revenge on Bushman (the man who nearly killed him the first place) and heads back to the United States to form his new life as millionaire playboy, Steven Grant, with the fortunes he gathered being a mercenary.

Now he is Marc Spector, Moon Knight, and Steven Grant. Marc also slaps on a fake mustache whenever he wants to acquire info from the streets as simple cab driver, Jake Lockley.

 


These four personas are supposedly symbolic of the four primary phases of the moon.

 


But living these multiple identities is no easy feat for Marc to juggle and eventually he develops schizophrenia, etc.

In the Fist of Khonshu run (MK's second term as a titular character), Moon Knight becomes inhabited by Khonshu himself and gains not only new gear, but actual superpowers... errr... lunar abilities. Hence the crescent on his chest being replaced by that Ankh.

 


 


Hope that explains enough lol.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.13.2019 11:41 PM

But yeah, my dream superhero movie is a Moon Knight flick starring Gosling and directed by Refn.

DO IT DISNEY, YOU COWARDS!!!

dirty bunny 02.14.2019 03:42 AM

I remember digging Moon Knight. He was kind of an oddball, kinda like Marvel's version of Batman. I never knew there was any time that he had actual super powers, that's interesting.

The only comics I read these days are Archie comics in their various titles (Betty & Veronica, Laugh etc). And the OLD ones too, not that newfangled shit. (get off my lawn!)

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.14.2019 07:07 AM

^ my main comic loving buddy is obsessed w Archie

I've never really seen the appeal. Isnt it just some red headed dude running around and chasing tail? If I wanted to read that I'd just read Daredevil. Speaking of Batman clones... hmphm...

 

!@#$%! 02.14.2019 07:19 AM

Tidjane Thiam’s wikipedia page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam

Severian 02.14.2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Moon Knight has a super weird back story. Everything about the character is weird tbh.

So... Marc Spector was a mercenary nearly killed out in Egypt before a statue of a god named Khonshu. In his last breath of life, Marc has a vision of Khonshu who offers to revitalize him if he promises to carry out Khonshu's name and image. He proceeds to dawn the silver cloak he finds on the statue of Khonshu, gets revenge on Bushman (the man who nearly killed him the first place) and heads back to the United States to form his new life as millionaire playboy, Steven Grant, with the fortunes he gathered being a mercenary.

Now he is Marc Spector, Moon Knight, and Steven Grant. Marc also slaps on a fake mustache whenever he wants to acquire info from the streets as simple cab driver, Jake Lockley.

 


These four personas are supposedly symbolic of the four primary phases of the moon.

 


But living these multiple identities is no easy feat for Marc to juggle and eventually he develops schizophrenia, etc.

In the Fist of Khonshu run (MK's second term as a titular character), Moon Knight becomes inhabited by Khonshu himself and gains not only new gear, but actual superpowers... errr... lunar abilities. Hence the crescent on his chest being replaced by that Ankh.

 


 


Hope that explains enough lol.


Yah dude I knew literally all of this except for the stuff about the Ankh. LOL.

Gosling would make a great superhero, but I kinda feel like Drive might have been his go at that. If you think about it, it’s kinda the best superhero movie ever. (Shrug)

Rob Instigator 02.14.2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
He's the third greatest superhero of all time. That's from the Fist of Khonshu run. I own so many Moon Knight comics, even used to own his debut appearance (Werewolf by Night #32 and #33) before I sold those for $$$. I looove me some Moon Knight.

My personal list of favorites...

1. Spider-Man
2. Daredevil
3. Moon Knight





Moon Knight was dope indeed.


My top faves


1. Batman
2. The Hulk
3. The Thing

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.14.2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yah dude I knew literally all of this except for the stuff about the Ankh. LOL.

Gosling would make a great superhero, but I kinda feel like Drive might have been his go at that. If you think about it, it’s kinda the best superhero movie ever. (Shrug)


Lol I figured, I just get exceedingly jazzed whenever I get the opportunity to talk about Moon Knight. So many people have no idea who he is, which makes me glad he's beloved 'round these parts.

Ever see this schematic of his OG 'copter?

 


Moon Knight is such an eccentric character that he needs an equally weird director to do him justice. Refn fits the bill perfectly, as does Gosling. Slap a moustache on him in Drive and yeah, hes Jake.

I'd even love to see his recent Ellis interpretation on the big screen.

 


The MCU will continue to disappoint me unless I get to see something like this come true. Hell, they did a fantastic job w/ that Daredevil Netflix show and then cancelled it. Fucking blow me

ilduclo 02.14.2019 10:46 AM

I think there’s actually a comic book thread.....

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.14.2019 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
I think there’s actually a comic book thread.....


 

!@#$%! 02.14.2019 12:49 PM

dont worry about kommissar ildouche

just persist till he puts you on ignore XD

Severian 02.14.2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Lol I figured, I just get exceedingly jazzed whenever I get the opportunity to talk about Moon Knight. So many people have no idea who he is, which makes me glad he's beloved 'round these parts.

Ever see this schematic of his OG 'copter?

 


Moon Knight is such an eccentric character that he needs an equally weird director to do him justice. Refn fits the bill perfectly, as does Gosling. Slap a moustache on him in Drive and yeah, hes Jake.

I'd even love to see his recent Ellis interpretation on the big screen.

 


The MCU will continue to disappoint me unless I get to see something like this come true. Hell, they did a fantastic job w/ that Daredevil Netflix show and then cancelled it. Fucking blow me



I read an entire article once about how a Moon Knight film could never happen.
I disagree, but I think it would be better suited to TV perhaps. Prestige or miniseries or something, a la Daredevil, which — in my opinion — was excellent, but was nearing the end of what could be done without getting hokey or stupid. If that third season had been fleshed out a little better, and ended with some closure, it would have essentially been like a trilogy of films.

Moon Knight could be done, but not really in the current MCU.
Would have to be more like a Deadpool/Logan kind of thing

!@#$%! 02.14.2019 02:58 PM

 

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.14.2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I read an entire article once about how a Moon Knight film could never happen.
I disagree, but I think it would be better suited to TV perhaps. Prestige or miniseries or something, a la Daredevil, which — in my opinion — was excellent, but was nearing the end of what could be done without getting hokey or stupid. If that third season had been fleshed out a little better, and ended with some closure, it would have essentially been like a trilogy of films.

Moon Knight could be done, but not really in the current MCU.
Would have to be more like a Deadpool/Logan kind of thing


What exactly was their reasoning for being unable to make a Moon Knight film? Do you recall?

Severian 02.14.2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
What exactly was their reasoning for being unable to make a Moon Knight film? Do you recall?


I can probably do you one better. Here:

https://www.looper.com/33410/marvel-...t-movie/?amp=1

* Most of the reasons are bogus in my opinion. If you can get away with Punisher violence and Norse gods, you can get away with basically the same level of violence and Hindu gods

dirty bunny 02.15.2019 12:20 AM

Archie is like macaroni and cheese. It's comforting and delicious.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.15.2019 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I can probably do you one better. Here:

https://www.looper.com/33410/marvel-...t-movie/?amp=1

* Most of the reasons are bogus in my opinion. If you can get away with Punisher violence and Norse gods, you can get away with basically the same level of violence and Hindu gods


Every single one of these seems as though they are exact reasons why he deserves a movie tbh

Severian 02.15.2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Every single one of these seems as though they are exact reasons why he deserves a movie tbh


Agree. In my opinion, the hardest part would be marketing him to non-comic-book readers and preventing it from looking like a Batman ripoff.

Let’s be honest, Moon Knight, like Daredevil and honestly Iron Man, started out very much as a Batman ripoff. At least aesthetically. And when he became a hero instead of a villain.

Rich guy with butler goes on odyssey, has experience with elemental thing that informs elemental-thing-themed crimefighting efforts.

But the multiple personalities is a strong angle, as is the god shit. Now, he’s very much his own thing, like Daredevil — whose womanizing, Irish Catholic guilt and borderline personality disorder narcissism have set him apart. And Deadpool, who started as such a massive Deathstroke rip that it actually became a joke, has his own thing going on too.

I am all for it, and always have been.
And the fact that there’s a Batman shaped hole in the current superhero movie space also helps. I hope whatever they do with “THE BATMAN” is held off indefinitely, because fuck that shot. It’s like rebooting The Godfather at this point.

That said, I don’t know if Refn’s the guy for the job. But do you k kw what is funny?
When casting a potential post-Nolan Batman movie in my head, I picked the EXACT SAME ACTOR/DIRECTOR PAIR!!!

Then I saw “ARRIVAL” and “Blade Runner 2049” and decided Denis Villeneuve would probably be a more realistic (and perfectly suited) choice. :)

And slap some brown hair dye on Gosling’s golden locks, and you’ve got yourself a Bruce Wayne! Do a Court or Owls story where a young Batman is driven mad by a group of faceless aristocratic Illuminati types who poison him, and you have yourself a fresh Batman story with no need for an impossible Joker recast.

(Fun fact, Gosling auditioned for the role of Joker in THAT MOVIE WHICH SHALL NOT BE NAMED FOR A WHILE) and didn’t get it, because Ledger, who was approached to play *Batman* in Begins not said, “Nah, I’m on some serious actor shit now,” saw said film and decided he needed to be a part of what Nolan was doing. The rest is history!)


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