yup. the fellow in yr avatar. one of the preachiest rappers around

I had two cats, they were brother and sister.
They used to fuck and had babies.
I wonder if Suchfriends thinks that's ok for humans to do.
Anyway, he was very friendly and always scared.
She was the only one who'd ever bring home a dead bird or torture a lizard for hours before finally killing it.

I don't drink.

gender roles are societal. gender itself is not. It exists. there are innate differences between males and females of any species that has sexual differentiation. (I cannot speak for asexual organisms), and these are both physical, mental, emotional, and metaphysical.

what do you imagine in your mind's eye when I say "beautiful woman?" It is not what I imagine in my mind's eye.

the reason the bible gives for the creation of woman is to prevent adam from fucking the animals. dang

I still don't think you're getting it or you're just playing dumb.
If you're not going to watch the video and still going to come here and sound like a 12 year old I ask you, from the bottom of my heart, to just fucking stop trying. You don't need to continue pretending that you give a shit.

well, that didn't fucking work, did it?
and fuck knows what you meant with this.
i'm scared to even think about it.

you know we all do this when you aren't looking? i think you should try it out you'll probably like it.

again, you presume too much.

I work, commute 1 1/2 hours each way to work, and then have gone home to take care of my currently sick wife. I go to sleep at 9:30 to be awake at 5 to get ready for work. excuse me for not watching the video yet. I told you I will, and I will let you know when I have.

I meant that ancient man sure had a hell of an imagination!

That's fine.
But if you haven't done it you have nothing to add to this conversation, do you? It can't go anywhere.
Yet you have the time and interest to come here to demonstrate how you pick and choose your 'truths'.

I didn't find the story that entertaining.

who doesn't pick and choose their "truths?' Truth is an idea. It is designated by a consensus. It changes over time. women in the western world havea very different truth to women from 200 years ago, and a very different truth from women in highly repressive societies like India, or China. truth is malleable.

Let's work on facts.

Sadly, I'll have to admit to not having a moment to watch the video either. I will do so, this evening, while rubbing my wife's feet.

But you don't even have to.

Care to describe your interpretation of the word "fact"? It should be amusing.

Watched the video knox. Paid attentione and thought deeply about the ideas expounded within. I share most of her viewpoints and already actively live my life as best I can along the principles the speaker describes. There is a difference however, between sexual objectification and sexual attraction. One can control the former but one cannot control the latter. I personally find Indian features beautiful and intelligence even more so. This is why I do not feel my original post about the many studious and beautiful Indian and Pakistani women at the Library to be objectification. I still do not. Sexual attraction happens whether objectification exists or not and is as big a part of being human as anything else.
You are free to find my words offensive but to expect me not to defend myself is a bit much, no?
Like I said before, fight the good fight. Confronting me about my post is a waste of your energy. I am actually your compatriot in this fight. And so is sychfriends as well.

i think everybody could understand men better if they watched the schoolroom scene in the wicker man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pa8aP6WwI8

Imagine being arbitrarily designated as an inescapably objectified category; imagine that even your intelligence can't escape that objectification. "Hey, I don't just treat bitches as meat for their asses - I do it for their minds too".

Tenfold this.

Ok, generally ugly thread, knox is right and this is pretty much why a lot of good posters fled. Even the people with worrying levels of internet masochism (myself).

I've been dwelling on this idea lately that one of the perpetual problems is this idea that 'the problem' exists in 'someone else'. It's like the 'racism is white skinheads kicking people's heads in'. That's a part of it, but only ever part. Many sorts of people - mostly people that aren't identified the same way as me - face constant harassment, psychological abuse and general dehumanisation. Not everyone chooses to identify with that - some of them because it's easier to live without constant self-assertions of negativity, some because they genuinely don't feel it, some because they've thickened their skin - but the most of them falling under the constant, discrete and unchallenged yoke of repetition. If you do not identify with the people saying they're having a shit time, shut the fuck up rather than telling them they're wrong.

It's the internet, and most folk are likely to ignore this. Sadly, the score with this forum is that I talk to the people who were listening elsewhere (or they disappeared), and the rest of you are fucking animals. I'm lucky, in that I'm one of the privileged ones - white and cis-male. I'm from a country with masses of problems, but I recognise it could be worse. The extent of that 'worse' is largely foreclosed to me, partly by things like the media, partly from personal and discrete deliberate ignorance(s) I may be unaware of. But... generally speaking, a lot of the shit being talked here is not helpful, and while you think you're not part of the problem you are. I am too. I'm struggling with it, rather than patronising the one person here who can be fucked to continue tussling with you moronic twats.

Knox is fucking awesome.