Feeling that Johnson for the 2nd election in a row, as middle school as that is.

good points.

well, my opinion is that Hillary is one of the most corrupted, lying, bought off, corporation owned, warmongering politicians ever and I am not saying I am supporting Trump.

we came, we saw, he died....

Sanders killed it in that speech last night, what a gracious old guy! And, damn, isn't Cecile Richards like delicious?

I'm thinking 3rd party too :(

Jill Stein....sigh....

ah sorry i fucked up the name lolol, gary JOHNSON

see he was NM governor before i moved here, but also we had an attorney general named gary king who ran for governor some years ago--so i mixed them up (i was tired, plus how many garys are there in nu messico)

the libertarians are interesting to me. interesting ideas in theory at least-- in practice we'll have to wait and see. right now the challenge is to stop trump though-- the fucking maniac.

If Hillary ends up being a terrible president you can always kick her out after 4 years. I can stand four years of Hillary as president, I don't have that same feeling about Trump.

Van Jones on Trump, "worse than a racist, a racial opportunist", he's interviewed by "infowars" kids, and it's pretty funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U

libertarianism is essentially the politics of white privilege who don't want to admit they have white privilege ;)

its true! people who fail to recognize that collectively we have all benefited from many proactive actions of government while simultaneously denying the reality that some of our worst national sins occurred when our government was the weakest.

Personally, my definition of a "libertarian" is an anarchist who wants to hide behind a façade of civilization.

Meanwhile mine is allowing people to form communities in whatever ways they see fit without government force or coercion, if a person doesn't want to.

That Ronald Reagan bullshit about government being the problem and not the solution really fuckin' stuck. Libertarians are basically Republicans without the institutionalized homophobia — on virtually all other aspects of society, it's every man or woman by themselves, motherfuckers!

sure you mean

Or a republican who wants to hide behind a facade of hippy credibility.

they some have things in common--- but libertarians, as a subspecies of anarchists, have zero interest in empire-building or policing morality, which are big issues with repukes. repukes are also in bed with corporations--- libertarians might let them get away with stuff but it's not in their dna to actively subsidize/support them. the whole 9/11 terrorism 1984 bullshit we're living through is also heavily opposed by libertarians while repukes say ISIS every other word.

lastly, the libertarian party used to be the #1 harbor for atheists-- had to allow for more religionists in their ranks (e.g. ron paul back in the day) to break into the mainstream. they're still for strong separation of church and state though. meanwhile, the american taliban is one of the pillars of the repuke party-- this is why trump had to pick pence as his jabroni.

from my experience THIS is more so the truth. the majority of actual Libertarian politicians and political leadership are all ideologically conservative, right shifted, and frequently harbor the same social values as classical post-1980 Republicans.
sure there plenty of under-30 people who are radical, even anarchists, that BELIEVE they are Libertarians, indeed i know quite a few in "real life" (which is to say not only on the internet but in person) and while they think they are Libertarians i personally don't believe they actually agree with as much of the Libertarian party as they think they do.

also i find Libertarians to be total hypocrites and frequently naive or delusional.

they make the exact same kind of "free market" "hands off" arguments that far right Republicans make, fhe kind of tone deaf, factually inaccurate ideas that NO WAY reflect actual reality.

my number one retort to my Libertarian friends is the experience of American slavery. its a text book example of the absolute and fundamental need at times for a very proactive government