there's this famous quote that jello met jeff the vocalist and the other dude that killed himself later or something and they kept telling him "you hate dc, right?, you hate ian mackaye, right?"

they were bleak as shit, i have a flipside vhs tape with a bunch of performances and it has the video for teen love, it's just the song with some images going along with it and the lyrics sometimes scrolling on the screen, but i was disappointed as i wanted to see how they looked and sounded live. i mean, if i thought flipper looked so bleak then i can't imagine how no trend would look like.

I posted a link to the other thread because I thought people interested in this thread might be interested in that one.

yeah, the middle part is pretty cool though, nada surf put a catchy chorus instead.

Well, I sure wouldn't say the other ones were hardcore at any point (aside from a few throwaway covers by Sonic Youth of course) but Cr@ss's first album was The Feeding of the 5000 which featured 18 songs at 45 RPM! As arguably the first punk band to bring Anarchy into the genre as a serious political statement (unlike the Pistols throwing it around for pure shock value) as well as to start their own record label, they certainly brought a whole lot to the movement that directly influenced the new generation of mostly American bands. Yes, they departed from this phase by their third album, but so did Husker Du who are topping many a list here.

1.Void
2. Negative Approach
3. Redd Cross first EP only!!
4. does Flipper count? If not Adolescents
5. Black Flag

Dude, the Beastie Boys were not that good of a hardcore punk band. They are much better rappers.

Yeah, but to put them in the top 5 greatest of all time??? Yr off yr rocker.

Yeah Beasties are much better as hip-hoppers and their funk stuff like In Sounds From Way Out. But their early punk stuff is still good.

Husker Du would be in there somewhere.

i'm sorry, those are what you call, gay pop punk bands...

Except for the Offspring, who you call Snowboard Butt Rock.

Ah ah ah
Yeah, I know. It was a crapy joke.

oh.

haha (unconfotable laughter)

Ok, seriously :
- Black Flag
- Dead Kennedys
- Bad Brains
- Minor Threat
- The Circle Jerks