again, what movement? what genre? rip off things from the past, tune down and be smelly?

i love candlebox though.

All sounds like Foghat to me.

"grunge's not dead it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon" just to paraphrase jello biafra

There are really people out there that are willing to defend that all this sterile balladeering dude rock is grunge? Nostalgic bastards.

Buzzo, if your age in your profile is correct then you'd have only been 3 at the height of the Nirvana phenonemon, the time grudge had it's turn at the mainstream.

My point? Considering all this, it's ironic you've made the posts you have and believing they're the gospel and all.

Tend to agree with this line, whether Fuentes meant it like this or not.

Grunge meant nothing to me at the time and still doesn't, except for a lot of sub-standard bands getting a lot of air-time in the early 90s.

It also had the effect of making metal seem cool, which is never a good thing.

I love Sabbath too, but they gave us the uber-pointless Stoner Rock.

actually, grunge killed metal, and most metal fans hate it for that fact. when the movement happened, i was a part of it and threw away my poison posters and pretended that i never liked those '80s bands (go ahead, give me your "poison's not metal" comments now). grunge was as angry and depressing as everyone says it was, and now that i'm not a teenager that wants to feel angry and depressed, i'd much rather listen to "nothin' but a good time" than "rape me." i still like both genres, but my shame is gone.

It didn't kill metal, it just rewrote its history.

Grunge didn't kill anything, partly because the metal genre has always been capable of absorbing more influences than the hard rock that came out from indie labels. Also, most metal bands worth a mention never really enjoyed the same amount of success that some of the bands mentioned on this thread have. Metal (in a few of its incarnations) is a much more determined genre than the grunge tag.

I never really think of Grudge. Alterative rock, 90's indie and GenX are the terms that come to mind, all as equally unhelpful.

I think the period itself was important when you think of all the great bands that came out (or were exposed) in that period. I'm utterly fasinated personally with that era of music, possibly because some of my favourite records came out during that periods - Siamese Dream, Spiderland, Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain. I dont believe Grunge is that important. I think its the spirit of the period generally.

was grunge ever alive?

if it werent for grunge you wouldn't have all the annoying teenyboppers like myshelf that got into sonic youth and indie music from nirvana. You would've missed out on all our great perspecitives.

actually, i didn't get into and hated sonic youth because of the grunge association (i mean, the elitist, pseudo intellectual, nirvana worshipping, spin magazine style grunge/indie).

it took me many years to stop hating sy and take them for their music alone.

ok then... if it weren't for grunge you wouldn't have me on this website. at least not yet maybe not for years later. think of everything you would have missed out on.

What's the matter with the grunge? If you don't like it dont listen it but don't say that the grunge sucks because you can think that the grunge never existed but many people considers it a way to live and the first thing that wen need is the respect, I can say that the metal sucks, the no wave sucks... and so one but the first thing is the respect.
And one thing swa(y) do you really think that nirvana is a PUNK BAND???

^ Like Omg Wtf^

Maybe he means that the accomodation of choice for many grungers is under a bridge, just like Cobain.

it also means you have to be a herion adicted bisexual and blow yr brains out that would be hardcore grunge lifestyle

No, I don't believe it. It's simply unbelievable. Completely unbelievable. In fact, I think it's a lie.