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sarramkrop 01.07.2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Could you just prick off you insolent cunt?

Or, alternately, yes, you're right - there's an intuitive talent and there's an explicit talent. Most shredders, and nearly all classical musicians, shit on rock musicians on a technical level, or, seeing as you're cloth-eyed, are objectively more talented on a technical level. Talent is a hydra of confusion, perhaps.


Nah, you prick off, you pompous twat. Yeah.

I like the hydra of of confusion explanation more. I might be totally and utterly wrong on this but I have always imagined that the best artists have a way of organising their subconscious in an artistically productive way. I am also very aware that this is more the case with visual and aural artists, rather than, say, writers.

Glice 01.07.2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Nah, you prick off, you pompous twat. Yeah.



I tell you what - why don't you prick off, you garish windowlicker?

Glice 01.07.2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham
I can't say I could consider Feldman noise.


No, well done there. It's all about texture and duration rather than melodic content. Oh look, that's a lot like noise. Well I never.

_slavo_ 01.07.2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Talent is a hydra of confusion, perhaps.


What a line.

I'm not really sure what it meants, however, it sounds superb.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 01.07.2008 01:13 PM

I was reading an article about Feldman where it goes on about how he was interested more in the space between the notes than the notes themselves. I just can't imagine a noise artist being more interested in the absence of sound than the sound it's self.

sarramkrop 01.07.2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I tell you what - why don't you prick off, you garish windowlicker?


You so hurt me I might skip dinner, tonight. Totally and utterly devastated.

Glice 01.07.2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
You so hurt me I might skip dinner, tonight. Totally and utterly devastated.


Huzzah! I'm off for a victorywank.

sarramkrop 01.07.2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Huzzah! I'm off for a victorywank.


Look at you.

What a twat you are. It doesn't take much to send you in a victorious frenzy, or does it? Such a helium-brained shitface you are. Twat.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 01.07.2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Huzzah! I'm off for a victorywank.


Don't hurt your prick.

Everyneurotic 01.07.2008 01:26 PM

"victorywank" hahahahahaha.

Rob Instigator 01.07.2008 01:33 PM


 


have you heard hios solo album? it is HORRID!!
in between songs there is this "spooky" howling wind effect.

so dumb.

themawt71 01.07.2008 01:43 PM

sarramkrop-"I might be totally and utterly wrong on this but I have always imagined that the best artists have a way of organise their subconscious in an artistically productive way. I am also very aware that this is more the case with visual and aural artists, rather than, say, writers."


i think you are right on this. i would also say that the way they organize their consciousness as well has a huge effect.

pauline oliveros is a perfect example of this. her compostions tend to be attention strategies rather than say a collection of notes or textures written out before hand.

i would also say that the conscious and subconscious of the listener plays and equal role in the experience.

thank you

Dead-Air 01.08.2008 01:15 AM

Good experimental music should be something more than noise. Good noise should either get you off, make you forget your identity, or some combination of both.

terminal pharmacy 01.08.2008 02:03 AM

you know what most noise, like most modern art is shit but ocassionally you will find an ooto dix or kandinsky or cage. noise is not something to go and see live, it is to go and experience, which is more akin to hanging a work of art on a wall. I myself much prefer to hear noise within the context of an installation than as someone playing noise. also as Rob Instigator said the noise needs progession and dynamics. Noise for noise sake is boring as shit, noise that has been thought about on a richer level is far more interesting.

give me free improv over noise.......

Florya 01.08.2008 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham
I was reading an article about Feldman where it goes on about how he was interested more in the space between the notes than the notes themselves. I just can't imagine a noise artist being more interested in the absence of sound than the sound it's self.


Notes? What the fuck are 'notes'? :)

atsonicpark 01.08.2008 02:31 AM

The same thing that constitutes good music, period.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 01.08.2008 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Florya
Notes? What the fuck are 'notes'? :)


Notes are sounds of indeterminate length.

sarramkrop 01.08.2008 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by themawt71
sarramkrop-"I might be totally and utterly wrong on this but I have always imagined that the best artists have a way of organise their subconscious in an artistically productive way. I am also very aware that this is more the case with visual and aural artists, rather than, say, writers."


i think you are right on this. i would also say that the way they organize their consciousness as well has a huge effect.

pauline oliveros is a perfect example of this. her compostions tend to be attention strategies rather than say a collection of notes or textures written out before hand.

i would also say that the conscious and subconscious of the listener plays and equal role in the experience.

thank you


Aw, thanks. Hold my hand and let's go victorywanking together, all in the knowledge that Glice is a complete and utter twat.



 

Norma J 01.08.2008 04:43 AM

Small doses.

themawt71 01.08.2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Aw, thanks. Hold my hand and let's go victorywanking together, all in the knowledge that Glice is a complete and utter twat.



 



how nice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbhZIkUlu1Y

 


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