They're both awesome so I ain't too involved with the poll.

Though I did vote for SAF.

Believe it or not, as big a fan as I am of the whole 'no wave/white noise' thing, I've never actually listened to Big Black. To reference Keith Richards, Should I shave and go home now...?

Atomizer - for 'Kerosene' and 'Jordan, Minnesota'

all that means is the song is so good you want it to last longer.
in other words, what you say is MEANINGLESS

Too short? One song is 4 minutes! Most are 2-3, just like every other Big Black song/album.

I mean, they weren't a prog band, they didn't have guitar solos, they didn't have time changes (hell, they rarely had drum beat changes), why would they ever need long songs?

Perfect song length to me is 1:50.

I've never considered them apart of any "no wave/white noise" thing.

How could you forget "Passing Complexion"?

agreed. they were a punk band after all.