Once any word becomes a genre descriptive, its meaning begins to change as less original bandwagon-jumpers primarily emphasize the characteristics of the pioneer bands (or perhaps only their favorite band of the milieu) which they most prefer, and then the real zeitgeist sets in when enough of these musical carpetbaggers begin to blip the radar of unsuspecting music journalists in the middle mass of the mass media. Then the wrong people get credit for starting something, and a style of music which had started out as very diverse becomes more and more streamlined and inbred. And it gets worse when even more bandwagon-jumpers catch the zeitgeist bug.

Moreover...

Once a word becomes marketable, such as "emo" did, then original definitions become totally meaningless. Try explaining the story of Rites of Spring and Gravity Records to writers at Entertainment Weekly or people who work at ad agencies....FORGET IT!!! Same's happened with "punk" for the last few years.

Noise is still rather pure. No one above the exposure of Pitchforkmedia has stretched their reality open far enough to ponder the possibility of noise as music.

It seems certain people here at SYboard can't even ponder that either. What would Thurston say?

I still don't understand why people feel noise music has to contain loud distortion.

well there is such a thing as quiet noise, but it isn't called noise, it's called Electro Acoustic Improvisation (EAI), and when I started a thread about it a couple of weeks ago only two people replied. So there.

if you hook me up with a link, ill check it out.

noise is when several melodies or sounds that are nothing alike combine with eachother.

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= noise

well done

check out the sound samples on this page
http://www.erstwhilerecords.com/catalog.html
click on a title then click on the "tracks" tab.

to be honest i haven't heard a single one of these records but i've seen a bunch of these people play live.

I didnt see the electro acoustic improvisation thread,when was that?.That's an interesting one as it brings me back to when i was studying powerjokeys and sound art a few years ago.I'd doubt that there would be many people interested in that sort of thing on this board though.I started a thread about Wende Bartley a while ago it didn't recieve a single reply.

texture.

electro acoustic improvisation. i want to know more.

do you think noise will look tame some day? The way we now look back on all the fuss over free jazz and think these days it doesn't sound as radical as it did then?

i don't know what free jazz you've been listening to, but something like coltrane's olatunji concert recording is still pretty radical in my book.

naw man i didnt write that, it was written by joe roemer... a very good writer indeed. i wish i could write, but i dont have the patience to learn

well, yeah, that is. I'm thinking more like Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz LP and the Shape of Jazz to Come, etc. It was considered quite "out there" at the time, but it really swings much more than people thought back then.

So maybe like free jazz, there's some that always will seem radical and others less so?

i wish i had seen that post! i've been trying to get into an electroacoustic class at my university, but it conflicts with the classes i need for graduation. looks like i'll just have to keep on teaching myself.

noise is noise is noise.

!@#$%! ?