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atari 2600 08.22.2006 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
... or David Bowie (The Rise & Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars), they do have this sort of "live" quality to the recording that you don't hear compared to new albums coming out today.


When I was thinking of great albums that were recorded analog that one came to mind right away.
The arrangements & sounds to be found on Ziggy are of an impeccable variety.

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Originally Posted by alyasa
I remember a lot of people criticising or being dissatisfied with Sister's lo-fidelity analog recorded sound. I happen to think that Sister has one of the best, most appropriate, most evocative and poignant sounds of all SY's albums. None of the instruments are muddied and although the vocals seem a bit buried, it only adds to the mysterious mood of the album. Digital is not always necessarily better.


I rank Sister as my top Sonic Youth album & #3 pick all-time. I love the production. Confusion is Sex & Bad Moon Rising have the best production besides it. I think the production is adequate on all the Sonic Youth releases, but there's always a little something that could be tweaked here or there except for those three...the irony being the lo-fi, lo-budget ones (before "production" was even a concern really) being the best produced. Wharton Tiers, Butch Vig & Jim O'Rourke did their own personal things to enhance Sonic Youth's production, but, in the end, there are other things lacking.

Toilet & Bowels 08.22.2006 09:31 PM

i'm not a dedicated fan of his, but i think there are certain bands he's done an amazing job of recording. low & the jesus lizard to be precise. and shellac, but they don't count.

Cantankerous 08.22.2006 09:33 PM

he did a great job on that pj harvey record.

atari 2600 08.22.2006 09:34 PM

He did a great job on In Utero; other than that, I've never been one to be overly impressed with Albini.

Cantankerous 08.22.2006 09:35 PM

i don't like the mixing on in utero very much, if i put that on i have to fuck around with the EQ. i really like the sounds he got though, but the vocals are buried a little to much.

Toilet & Bowels 08.22.2006 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by atari 2600
He did a great job on In Utero; other than that, I've never been one to be overly impressed with Albini.


not even on liar or goat?

GeneticKiss 08.22.2006 09:48 PM

I have the sound set on my drum machine to sound like the drums on In Utero and Surfer Rosa...

alyasa 08.22.2006 10:51 PM

The drums on In Utero really hit the sweet spot for me. Huge, throbbing kicks and massive pounding snares. Coolness.

Пятхъдесят Шест 08.22.2006 10:56 PM

I'm hoping The Ex decide to have someone else produce their next album. The Steve Albini sound, three albums in, is starting to run thin.

kingcoffee 08.22.2006 11:01 PM

So Bob Dylan said something stupid. So what? Need we be reminded that Bob Dylan used to say a lot of stupid things? Have you seen No Direction Home? Remember the scene where Dylan is walking around town and see's a sign for pet grooming and he just rearranges the words to make nonsensical and down-right silly compositions? Funny, but dumb. I rest my case.

Cantankerous 08.22.2006 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kingcoffee
So Bob Dylan said something stupid. SO what? Need we be reminded that Bob Dylan used to say a lot of stupid things? Have you seen No Direction Home? Remember the scene where Dylan is walking around town and see's a sign for pet grooming and he just rearranges the words to make nonsensical and down-right silly compostitions? Funny, but dumb. I rest my case.

that was great! i don't know anyone who can just do that so fast, because while it was nonsensical it still kind of made sense.

m^a(t)h 08.22.2006 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kingcoffee
So Bob Dylan said something stupid. So what? Need we be reminded that Bob Dylan used to say a lot of stupid things? Have you seen No Direction Home? Remember the scene where Dylan is walking around town and see's a sign for pet grooming and he just rearranges the words to make nonsensical and down-right silly compositions? Funny, but dumb. I rest my case.


i love that part

Rob Instigator 08.23.2006 10:01 AM

that means he thinks the Traveling wilbury's CRAP sucked as much shit as I thought it did!

ha ha!

just means he is old man.

Rob Instigator 08.23.2006 10:03 AM

albini records music to sound on vinyl EXACTLTY as it would sound LIVE, which is a lost art. most recording engineers make bands sound totally different on recordings than when they play live. albini is GOD

gmku 08.23.2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
After reading the entire article, I understand Uncle Bob as saying no one has recorded a record that sounds good. He is most defiantly speaking about his own releases as well. Read carefully, Bob didn't say no one had recorded a good or even great album the past 20 years......he just doesn't think any sound that good. The key word is sound...... as in production / the digital age.


That's the way I interpretted it, too. He's saying that new technologies have not made recordings sound any better and maybe even have made them sound worse than older analog methods, and such. Right? I really don't think he's saying there's been no good music--he knows better than that, and I think we know him better than to think he'd say something like that.

porkmarras 08.23.2006 10:42 AM

We always blame the technology and never ourselves for not having the ability to use it in a more stimulating and creative way.Digital recordings CAN sound as raw and visceral as analogue recordings,it's just that there aren't that many people around who have the talent to do the job.

kingcoffee 08.23.2006 10:45 AM

Yeah, that scene was one of my favorites too. I was just pointing out how ridiculous Dylan can be some times.

gmku 08.23.2006 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
We always blame the technology and never ourselves for not having the ability to use it in a more stimulating and creative way.Digital recordings CAN sound as raw and visceral as analogue recordings,it's just that there aren't that many people around who have the talent to do the job.


Is it more difficult to make a good digital recording than a good anolog recording?

porkmarras 08.23.2006 10:53 AM

Does it matter if the finished product is of blinding quality?

gmku 08.23.2006 11:57 AM

No, of course not. As one not familiar with recording technology, I was just wondering if the technology and skills required have become more difficult. Seems to make sense that it has, I guess, so I guess it's a dumb question. I mean, George Martin was using, what, 4-track for the Beatles? What was that--press the record button and go?


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