Who said they didn't like the guitar tones on EVOL? Wtf? It was the '80s!

Yes, "Tom Violence" could easily be a Pornography-era Cure song, but what's wrong with that?

I got into BMR whilst playing Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Its still the most mysterious album in the catalogue, the references it contains (Not Right by The Stooges at the start of I Love Her all the time, the fact Society is a hole was a misheard Black Flag lyric) give it an unreal feeling.
It doesnt feel like it was made by the people playing it, more that they found instructions to make the album "Bad Moon Rising" in a cave somewhere and then set about making it happen.

I think also EVOL-guitars are straight from the heaven! (also the production). And I don´t find any link of Cure Pornography and EVOL, although I really love both albums!

They started playing their fucked up guitars better on this one imo.

Well I think I understand what you mean. But I think it´s also great, kind of creepy and heavenly same time, almost too much in my mind :) ! I have listened cd-version one time and I don´t remember that I have payed any attention about the difference of the sounds comparing the vinyl. But commonly I think vinyl sounds better, maybe little softer than cd:s, specially eighties cd:s sound often very lousy because cd mastering wasn´t that time enough advanced.

yes.

Bad Moon Rising

I love DDN the most of any album ever, but BMR is to me the quintessence of SY.
They went for something HUGE and they succeeded so perfectly that the album still SCARES people upon first listen.
Other "difficult" records do not hold the air of "strangeness" that BMR contains. It may very well be the one album SY is lauded for in a century, when all the others have been forgotten.

It contains the multiverse.

I love BMR

Well put. BMR is a halcyon-mescaline autumn mystery trip.

That just came out as I was writing. :)

for this recording as a group it is the one of their early era that has alot of influence in my music, its more about sound and the guitars as sound generators than say power chords that burn into your brain (except a few tracks like death valley)

So nobody else thinks EVOL kinda sounds like '80s goth pop? I mean, relative to BMR and Sister... I remember the first time I heard it, loving the intro to "Tom Violence", but thinking "there's no way this is Sonic Youth!" Maybe it doesn't sound like the Cure exactly, but that's what I thought when I first heard it.
I think EVOL has a completely unique place in the SY discography, and that no other album sounds quite like it.

Oh yeah, this is a BMR thread. Sorry :)

Of course there are something same all after-punk bands, but I still think SY is quite different than for example Joy Division, the Cure and Bauhaus in same time. If you compare for example EVOL and Pornography, there is something very despair in Pornography and something very hopeful in EVOL. Although BMR and specially CIS are very dark albums, I don´t think they also have anything that is typical in goth pop. I think there is something hopeful also in BMR music and CIS is more raw than romantic in it´s darkness. Maybe it´s SY has always been musically kind of realistic band when goth pop is full of romantic style.

Maybe this is something to do with the difference of British and Us bands. I think Us bands are more raw and realistic, when British bands have more elegance. I think only Us band that sounds British is Love. And three albums I´ve heard from them only Forever Changes is sounding British, the first album and Four Sales sounds also Us.

listening to this album on a mescaline trip in a forest was one of the most epic experiences of my life

Gila Monster Jamboree is a way cool (pre-burning man) generator powered nighttime desert live set from BMR era, totally goes with the feeling of the record, was SY's west coast debut (i think), and should get released on dvd (its vhs only & oop right now).

i love this album very organic sound, but what's fucked up guitars?

fucked up guitars meaning their non standard use of tuning and playing (i.e. behind the bridge, drumsticks), and also that at that point in their career they used cheap guitars.

I just put on my blast first copy of bad moon. It's just a brilliant album.

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oh shit I just found a bunch of flyer/ticket/map/liability release scans from this show and posted in the poster/flyer thread:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...p?t=80&page=11

most of the old timers here will be familiar with it, but if anyone hasn't seen it, here's the BMR-centric clips (courtesy of sonicCHOUT):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WkuTqrHGBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ5cZED6dkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrxASw3HYTw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf16HwsAQZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foc2KjNzIdc

Okay now I'm getting kind of obsessed, which happens when I have too much school work and I start procrastinating. According to the Psychic Confusion book, this guerilla gig happened at Skull Rock. According to the Joshua Tree National Park site, Skull Rock is located at Jumbo Rocks campground, which also has a small ampitheater. Might go visit over spring break, really need some time to unwind, and I've been meaning to go out there for a while anyway. If I do it I might bring a F#F#F#F#EB tuned acoustic guitar. If I was gonna get all Center For Land Use Interpretation on it I'd make a brass plaque and install it myself.

I have the VHS of this show ripped to iso somewhere if anyone wants it(PM)?

Also, looking at the map, I dont think it was at skull rock. I was there last May (super fucking cool!), and its in the middle of Joshua Tree Nat'l Park, Victorville (which i see on the map for the show) is about 100mi away. I would definitely go to Joshua Tree if you get the chance!

Scary album. Didn't Kim date someone connected to the Manson Family murders?

I remember her saying in some documentary that her brother dated a girl that was killed by the Family.