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Sheriff Rhys Chatham 10.03.2008 11:34 AM

Guilty Simpson
Percee P
C-rayz Walz
MadLib - Quasimoto
Mf Doom
Aesop Rock

The Carter III is over-rated.

al shabbray 10.03.2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NWRA
I went off hiphop for a long time because there seemed to be a split in the early 2000s between glittery commercial hiphop, which made me feel like a moron for listening to it, and the pseudo-underground hiphop which was built on lame jazz-samples and people like Mos Def bragging about how much of an intellectual/poet they are (without actually saying anything intellectual or poetic). I'm trying to get into it again but I'm not sure where to start, or if it's really changed...

I like Clouddead's first album and Alias' The Other Side Of The Looking Glass. The whole Anticon thing seems like a minefield to me... there's some great stuff and a lot of rush-released horseshit.


clouddeads "ten" is one of my favourite albums of all time. and I agree that the early anticon times where higher quality tested :) but there still some of the best hip hop produced. also like some stuff from alias

greedrex 10.03.2008 11:44 AM

i own most clouddead and Alias releases. good stuff but i'm looking for something deeper. So far i love the deltron 3030 i just checked out.
More in this style please!

noisereductions 10.03.2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
you know, futuristic as spooky big layers of synth maybe mixed with other samples, as in a few tracks off "The Cold Vein".....


It sounds like you should check out other albums produced by El-P then.

noisereductions 10.03.2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
i own most clouddead and Alias releases. good stuff but i'm looking for something deeper. So far i love the deltron 3030 i just checked out.
More in this style please!



Handsome Boy Modeling School ?

noisereductions 10.03.2008 11:48 AM

Or maybe Prince Paul's first album.

greedrex 10.03.2008 11:50 AM

i will eventually check out all the stuff you mentioned.
There seems to be at least a good dozen of mustlistento LPs, so i have to list them properly a,d huh "hunt"'em.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOU ALL.
YOU RULE.

o'connor 10.03.2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Handsome Boy Modeling School ?


fucks yes! return repped!

o'connor 10.03.2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
yeah , what about aesop rock?
what's his must have piece of work?

same question for MFdoom


MADVILLAIN. a must have for anyone who like ship hop. 2 of the best ever (Madlib & DOOM) killing it non-stop. get it. i'm not kidding.

noisereductions 10.03.2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by o'connor
MADVILLAIN. a must have for anyone who like ship hop. 2 of the best ever (Madlib & DOOM) killing it non-stop. get it. i'm not kidding.



for real.

noisereductions 10.03.2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by o'connor
fucks yes! return repped!



man, Automator and Prince Paul somehow made even Jack Johnson sound good!!

al shabbray 10.03.2008 12:07 PM

oh yes the debut of automator is really great, Ive stopped following them afterwards, did they do some good releases after that?

o'connor 10.03.2008 12:08 PM

right! i hate jack johnson, but that song is teh shit!

al shabbray 10.03.2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greedrex
i will eventually check out all the stuff you mentioned.
There seems to be at least a good dozen of mustlistento LPs, so i have to list them properly a,d huh "hunt"'em.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOU ALL.
YOU RULE.


no problem, love you too:D

o'connor 10.03.2008 12:11 PM

oh... homo erotic undertones :)

al shabbray 10.03.2008 12:13 PM

isnt this THE most homoerotic board on the web?

noisereductions 10.03.2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by al shabbray
oh yes the debut of automator is really great, Ive stopped following them afterwards, did they do some good releases after that?


Al, Automator is one dude. As in Dan The Automator. And he's actually done a TON of awesome stuff:

-Both Handsome Boy Modeling School albums with Prince Paul
-Deltron 3030 w/ Del
-The first Gorillaz album (and it's G-SIDES companion)
-Lovage with Mike f'ing Patton

and a buttload more. Check his wiki, and know that if he touched it's probably golden.

noisereductions 10.03.2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham

The Carter III is over-rated.




I disagree. If you dont like it, that's fine, but it deserves it's acclaim. It's an album that is applauded by hardcore hip hop heads, critics AND people who dnt even like rap music! That's no small feat. The last time I can remember a MAINSTREAM, major label rap album pulling that off to the same degree was Jay-Z's BLACK ALBUM. Know what I mean?

greedrex 10.03.2008 12:24 PM

it's okay to ba gay.
this board kinda looks like this.

 

al shabbray 10.03.2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Al, Automator is one dude. As in Dan The Automator. And he's actually done a TON of awesome stuff:

-Both Handsome Boy Modeling School albums with Prince Paul
-Deltron 3030 w/ Del
-The first Gorillaz album (and it's G-SIDES companion)
-Lovage with Mike f'ing Patton

and a buttload more. Check his wiki, and know that if he touched it's probably golden.



oh shit, yes I know him. I mixed it up with "automato" which is a NY based band who play their instruments live. but as if they were sampled, pretty interesting laid back stuff. and I got their debut lying around but havent followed what theyve done afterwards
dan the automtor is great for sure

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 10.03.2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I disagree. If you dont like it, that's fine, but it deserves it's acclaim. It's an album that is applauded by hardcore hip hop heads, critics AND people who dnt even like rap music! That's no small feat. The last time I can remember a MAINSTREAM, major label rap album pulling that off to the same degree was Jay-Z's BLACK ALBUM. Know what I mean?


I don't dislike it, well only a little.
I don't know as soon as it came out a group of my friends bought it and it was on rotation at least three times a day. To me it just doesn't feel like a record I can spin too many times and not get bored with it.

noisereductions 10.03.2008 02:56 PM

Weird. I've played it A LOT since release day.

To each his own.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 10.03.2008 03:03 PM

Guess so.
I prefer hip hop to rap any way.
Prob. why I don't dig it so much.

al shabbray 10.03.2008 03:18 PM

always took hip hop as the cooler less commercial more rough version of rap.

I think a known artists said something like "...I do hip hop not rap" regarding the money and rep he got

greedrex 10.03.2008 03:23 PM

what is the difference between hiphop and rap?

al shabbray 10.03.2008 03:38 PM

like I said above, thats how I understand it so far...

rap: commercialised bling bling
hip hop: the rough, street cred version.

before that i understand it that way:

hip hop: genre as a whole
rap: the vocals

Toilet & Bowels 10.03.2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
hello dudes
i want to listen to some good hip hop that would be somehow akin to Cannibal Ox. I want my hip hop to be pretty threatening and serious.



Quote:

Originally Posted by greedrex
protip: i love futuristic samples.


Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet*

Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
Monster Island Czars - Escape From Monster Island
Techno Animal - Brotherhood Of The Bomb

The Infesticons - Gunhill Road**
Mike Ladd - Welcome To The Afterfuture**
Kool Keith - Black Elvis-Lost In Space**
Anti-Pop Consortium - Tragic Epilogue**




*Not as futuristic as the other records I suggested but probably the most intense & serious sounding hiphop record ever made, also a big influence on the dense layered production of EL-P (did beats for Cannibal Ox & Company Flow)

** These aren't as threating or as serious (they aren't soft either though) but are definitely futuristic sounding

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.03.2008 03:43 PM

on my list:

Dr Dooom aka Kool Keith aka the Black Elvis aka Mr Nagacto
Tribe Called Quest
old school Outkast [like pre-2000]
the Black Knights
RZA
GZA
e-40
the makaveli bootlegs
the grouch and the living legends
zion-I
the gravediggaz
Deadprez
busta rhymes
the game
dj quick
KRS-One
scarface/geto boys
Slick Rick aka Rick the Ruler

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.03.2008 03:43 PM

 

 

 


 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.03.2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
what is the difference between hiphop and rap?


hip hop can be artistic, rap is about the street, and if you get to artistic on the street, they kick yr ass, or to quote Lou Reed, "nah man they'll punch you out!"

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.03.2008 03:45 PM

 

 

 

al shabbray 10.03.2008 03:45 PM

^^^that makes sense

edit: referring to spectraljulian

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.03.2008 03:46 PM

 

 

 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.03.2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by al shabbray
^^^that makes sense

edit: referring to spectraljulian


indeed. I have seen enough artistic motherfuckers get their ass kicked!

if you ask me, this is the single greatest album in Hip Hop


 


followed closely by:


 


and rounding up third:
 

Toilet & Bowels 10.03.2008 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
what is the difference between hiphop and rap?



hiphop is the whole culture, graffiti, break dancing, DJs, rappers.
rap is talking in syncopated rhymes.
don't listen to people who say rap is the commercial stuff and hiphop is the underground stuff, or that one is one style of music and the other is something else.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.03.2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
hiphop is the whole culture, graffiti, break dancing, DJs, rappers.
rap is talking in syncopated rhymes.
don't listen to people who say rap is the commercial stuff and hiphop is the underground stuff.


Rap is not entirely deprived of culture, just mostly.

al shabbray 10.03.2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
hiphop is the whole culture, graffiti, break dancing, DJs, rappers.
rap is talking in syncopated rhymes.
don't listen to people who say rap is the commercial stuff and hiphop is the underground stuff, or that one is one style of music and the other is something else.


i dont said that it IS like that. I just mentioned that Ive heard it that way. i dont care bout genres, dont wanted to offend

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 10.03.2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greedrex
what is the difference between hiphop and rap?


It's hard for me to describe.
I see them as sounding different though, not only in lyrics but sound/music.

batreleaser 10.03.2008 04:41 PM

all those wu tang albums rank among my all time favorites. wu tang was the most listened to thing of mine when i was in high school because they were the one thing that everyone agreed on; the skaters, the hip hop dudes, the hippies, the punks, the metalheads. everyone loves them because theyre heavy, trippy, interesting, wierd, shit, theyre the best.

other great shit:
company flow-funcrusher plus
big l-livestyles ov da por and dangerous
gravediggaz-6 feet deep
lootpack-s/t
the bug-london zoo (one of the best of the year, trust me)
vast aire-deauces wild
gangstarr-full clip
geto boys-s/t (along with enter the 36 chambers, this is my favorite hip hop album, one of the most dangerous record ever)
erik b and rakim-paid in full
ultramagnetic mc's-everything
boogie down production-criminal minded


grime:
shabba ranks-rappin wit the ladies, golden touch, just reality, best baby father
roll deep-in the deep end, rules and regulations, return of the big money sound
wiley-treddin on thin ice, da 2nd phaze
trim-soulfood volume 3
riko-the truth
ghetto-2000 and life, ghetto gospel
lethal bizzle-agains all oddzz, back to bizznizz
the plastician-beg to differ

batreleaser 10.03.2008 04:44 PM

the only dizzee rascal album thats somewhat not too terrible is the first one, that guy is soooo overrated.


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