Melly seconds this one too. So there!

I think Irreversible might be one of my favourite movies ever.

Dreamy.

Unfortunately not mine. :(

u not a fan demonrail?

Of who? Vincent Cassell? I like him a lot.

the film

Irreversible or Ilsa She Wolf of the SS? I prefer Ilsa of the SS. Irreversible's brilliant but depresses me too much. I've only seen it once and don't think I could again.

Ilsa of the SS reminds me too much of Pink Falmingos to make me feel sad. I dunno, the way human misery is portrayed in that film is too cartoonish for me to feel sad. I'd rather read about these things to remind myself how low people can sink. The first time I watched Irreversible I dismissed it as being gimmicky and silly and fell asleep after the first 15/20 minutes. I re-watched it and it blew me away. Of course it's so tragic it's never going to be pleasant viewing, but I love the way it unfolds into a love story and all the superficiality and intimacies loving someone comports. Masterpiece ihomo.

Irreversible fucked me up for about a week when I first saw it, Enter the Void was a massive let down after that.

"Irreversible" is a truly powerful and affecting film. " Enter The Void" has its moments, but goes on for way, way too long and essentially repeats itself a lot throughout the film.

Remember also seeing "Seul Contre Tous" when it came out at the cinema, and thinking at the end, "Is that it?".

demonrail/Genteel D - did you know that David F Friedman was the producer behind "Ilsa..."? He denied all knowledge of it for many, many years (he is credited in the film as "Herman Traeger"), but has more recently acknowleged that he was indeed the producer: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/mo...er=rss&emc=rss

(Sad to note that the interviewer here, Something Weird Video's Mike Vraney, died recently: http://www.avclub.com/article/rip-mi...d-video-106731 )

As for said film itself, have to admit I really didn't enjoy that one at all, in spite of its cartoonish/"camp" etc qualities. I've seen one of its sequels ("Ilsa Harem Keeper Of The Oil Sheiks"), and that was much more like it. The last sequel ("Ilsa The Wicked Warden") was directed by Jesus Franco, and I've not yet inflicted that one on myself.

I've only watched about half of Enter the Void but it's such a different film from Irreversible I wouldn't know how to compare them. The styling remains claustrophobic and paranoid and that 's about the only thing I can say about both. Maybe one has a very defined story and the other one is not too bothered with that.

I guess that "Enter The Void" has a more dreamy/non-linear thing going on in it, hence the lack of any conventional "narrative", as such. There were moments in "ETV" where boredom was beginning to set in for me, and the film's length didn't help matters in that respect at all. Even the "love hotel" bit towards the end could have have been more tightly edited to pick up its pace.

I guess I like stuff like that. You know, the non-linear pace and messing around. I agree it's not for everyone.

Anyway, back to Vicent Cassel - as well as his key roles in "Irreversible" (obv.) and "La Haine", I've also enjoyed him in "Dobermann" and "Brotherhood of the Wolf". Haven't seen "Mesrine" as it goes - is that worth checking out?

(Remember watching "La Haine" on its cinema release here - at the much-missed Lumiere on St Martins Lane - and thinking that Vincent Cassel bore an alarming resemblance to Justin Broadrick!)

I think Irreversible sets a precent for European films dealing with drama and the French have been great for opening up the gates to this sort of approach. A film like Martyrs is very whatever horror bullshit at first viewing (Hollywood wannabe or something) and then....BANG! Towards the end everything takes a more theatrical approach to moving images. Check out how they built the scenes.

Whoah - never heard of "Martyrs" before until your post - will go check Lovefilm now to see if is on there.

e2a: Yep, "Martyrs" is on Lovefilm for online streaming viewing. Will defo watch this one this evening.

Sorry, with theatrical approach I don't mean going to watch plays and be bothered endlessly by them. I mean making sure that you've done your best to psychologically and physically affect an audience. Jump off your seat and that sort of shit.

Oh no no - knew where you were coming from w/your point about theatricality etc - an essential part of film-making, methinks.

I remember critics writing about some kind of new european 'extreme' art cinema on the strength of directors like Noe, Lars Von Trier and Francois Ozon and other films like Base Moi and Nil By Mouth all arriving on the scene at roughly the same time. They were being talked about as representing a response to films like Amelie, which were thought to be in danger of reducing European art cinema at that time down to a kind of touristic, feel-good picture-postcard view of Europe.

I was never sure what to make of Noe or Ozon but while I'm probably even more suspicious of Von Trier's motives, he definitely seemed like the one real talent to come out of that whole scene.

* bored by them. drunk and sleepless. SONIC LYFFE!

…!!!

None of them have a foreskin.

I had to watch Martyrs at work last year, it is possible the most pretentious thing I have ever seen.

The trouble with Enter the Void for me was that beyond the visuals I thought it was totally vacuous.

jesus fucking christ what.

I don't know what this thread is about and don't care to read it but can we ban gast already? It's a bunch of gibberish no one reads. Not much of a level above say, a spambot, which we do ban.

exactly.

I dont think we should ban Gast, he's so incoherant, he could never convince anyone with an arguement becuz he doesnt posess an arguement.

Hi everyone,

My social anxiety renders me terrified of the two non-Sonic Youth forums at this site. On the rare occasion I do peek in, it seems like an entirely different community and I can't follow the discussions. That said, I think it's awesome that there's this whole world of people who love and annoy and entertain each other in the non-Sonic forums, presumably having initially registered here due to some interest in SY.

At some point, a few of us were made moderators to help deal with the ridiculous amount of spam (which the average poster never sees but if you could, you would probably stop visiting). While we have discretion to manage non-spam posts, I can only speak for myself. I don't police these sub-forums, I don't know who gast is, I certainly don't approve of this thread in particular but at the same time, I don't want to read their 7000 other posts to figure out what else they're contributing. Plus, what offends me may not offend others and vice versa. So, banning individuals seems like a last resort (and I should point out that one registered member still occasionally sends me death threats!)

I agree with those who say the ignore feature is the best response. This thread should have ended at one post. Aside from some lovely ladies, what else have the responses contributed?

Aaaanyway. If this persists/escalates/requires re-evaluation, you can find me in the SY forum discussing the variances in locked grooves on difference pressings of EVOL. Thanks everyone!

I like how you even tried to bait me in with that, but I'm Oriental Orthodox, we haven't been "Catholic" for 1500 years, and to be honest,
we let the Latins hang around Egypt and Ethiopia to be polite.


I do, but these folks surely have no idea what you're talking about, but I sure do wish y'all had won those wars, the subsequent reign of competing heresies and make-believe Christianity has spawned a terrible world of unfettered capitalism and mindless warfare.

Anyone fancy a hobnob, then?

I looked at my humantraffic.

Uncarved website/blog guru John Eden outed in "dictatorial editor" shocker: http://seagullscreamingkillherkillhe...ntributor.html

same here.
i left the room when the rape was taking place. i think it was worse being able to hear her cries.

i was referring specifically to all that new french extremity stuff.
of all the the people you mentioned von trier is the one I like the least.
i don't think it's a coincidence that he got bjork to act in one of his films because he's like the film director version of her.

gast30 is a legend, so desist with your puerile witch-hunt and pc posturing. If not I'll post a photo of myself burning a copy of the Guardian whilst wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood, which I know will send you lot into an apoplectic fit of outrage.

hahaha