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Pookie 04.15.2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
I don't want to get into an argument with anyone about David Lynch, but most David Lynch movies are a real bore. And when they do manage to have some interesting scenes, the movie itself ultimately ends up going nowhere.


Absolutely agreed.

And Stanley Kubrick, who made more bad films (Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, A Clockwork Orange) than good.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
I've seen it, which is why I said "most" and not "all."


i know i know. i was just trying to point at things you might like.

btw, error: lost highway edit: WILD AT HEART is great too, especially if you've watched the wizard of oz (i haven't, ha h aha).

luxinterior 04.15.2007 06:53 PM

I've never seen Eyes Wide Shut (Tom Cruise just pisses me the hell off, so his movies tend to stand no chance with me), Full Metal Jacket was okay overall (very good first half, underwhelming second), and both The Shining and A Clockwork Orange please me.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
And Stanley Kubrick, who made more bad films (Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, A Clockwork Orange) than good.


no pookie! no!

clockwork orange was brilliant. i must have seen it 15 times. best movie ever certainly not but good & groundbreaking in its way. i like barry lyndon better now but anyway.

the shining, though quite slow, has amazing cinematography. i don't know if you're telling this from the point of view of a horrorshow hater or stephen king vindicators? i usually dislike horror movies but the shining is a visual delight.

full metal jacket was pretty good too.

eyes wide shut i feel is where kubrick was misunderstood. i really liked that movie. it was scary. as much as i despise tom cruise he was perfectly cast as this well-meaning but bumbling idiot. and nicole kidman blew the poor little bastard out of the water.

luxinterior 04.15.2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i know i know. i was just trying to point at things you might like.

btw, lost highway is great too, especially if you've watched the wizard of oz (i haven't, ha h aha).


Lost Highway was probably what led to me pretty much giving up all hope for Lynch. It was such a tease in every way. No delivery. What a shame, because I still think it could have been great.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
Lost Highway was probably what led to me pretty much giving up all hope for Lynch. It was such a tease in every way. No delivery. What a shame, because I still think it could have been great.


oh fuck sorry im such a retard!!!

i meant WILD AT HEART.

sorry sorry.. ha h aha

luxinterior 04.15.2007 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
oh fuck sorry im such a retard!!!

i meant WILD AT HEART.

sorry sorry.. ha h aha


Wild At Heart, now I do love that one, I think it's fucking hilarious and terribly misunderstood.

sarramkrop 04.15.2007 07:02 PM

The psychological rape scene being one of them.

Pookie 04.15.2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
Wild At Heart, now I do love that one, I think it's fucking hilarious and terribly misunderstood.


I was having a conversation with a friend recently, and we were trying to pinpoint the moment when Nicolas Cage stopped being the most fantastic, exciting, charasmatic, just fucking AMAZING living American actor.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
I was having a conversation with a friend recently, and we were trying to pinpoint the moment when Nicolas Cage stopped being the most fantastic, exciting, charasmatic, just fucking AMAZING living American actor.


when he did leaving las vegas? that movie was shit & his performance was over the top & ridiculous.

i wonder what happened to him, now that you point it out.

luxinterior 04.15.2007 07:07 PM

Valley Girl and Raising Arizona were phenomenal.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:09 PM

i havent seen valley girl but raising arizona made me laugh so hard i got bellyaches. i still laugh, i've seen it maybe 4-5 times. each time a new layer of absurdity reveals itself. great movie.

luxinterior 04.15.2007 07:11 PM

I'm actually going to have to talk about Wild At Heart during my speech on Willem Dafoe that I have to present in class on Tuesday. The assignment was to give an informative speech, and when it comes to things like that I always fall back on Willem Dafoe because I've seen/own an obnoxious amount of his movies. Anyway the speech is called "Willem Dafoe: His Life, His Work, His Face" and it is divided up accordingly. Right now I am working on the PowerPoint presentation that goes along with it. I am awesome at these things, and the first one that I did a few weeks ago totally killed, so I have high hopes for this one.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:13 PM

^^ light sleeper was surprisingly good, i saw it on tv once and wow! dafoe is one of my heroes, great actor-- i think he shouldn't have been the green goblin though-- that was beneath him (though he does have the face for it).

luxinterior 04.15.2007 07:18 PM

Light Sleeper really is underrated, I talk about it in my speech.

As for the Green Goblin character, I have a lot of quotes from people that I gathered off the internet in regard to it. I am using these in my speech:

“Willem Dafoe's face is scary enough without a mask. He could have been the scariest thing on the screen since Alien.”

“It also makes the mistake of having some gigantic honking mask to cover up Willem Dafoe's face. It would have been much more creepy just to have Willem Dafoe making insane expressions and jumping around in a green leotard, I think, because that guy's wrinkled, plastic face freaks me out.”

“I'm not a big fan of having to look at Willem Dafoe's face for an extended period of time, so it didn't have much of a chance with me from the beginning.”

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jico.
well, i dont know if it was on porpuse or something but all i've seen from the 80's and 90's (Lua de Mel, Lua de Fel, Frenetic, Pirates...) it's pure crap... death and the maiden.....

obviously i fucking love rosemary's baby.... chinatownnnnnnnngfd hioangu whfabslgf ajgvlyuawghjl

someday i 'll see macbeth......... i just dont.tttt


i haven't seen a lot of them but the pianist? give it up for the pianist. eh...



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Originally Posted by luxinterior
Light Sleeper really is underrated, I talk about it in my speech.
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“I'm not a big fan of having to look at Willem Dafoe's face for an extended period of time, so it didn't have much of a chance with me from the beginning.”


ha ha, i actually like his face-- i don't like pretty boy actors, they are annoying. i don't fantasize being a famous actor but if i had to choose to be one it would be him or maybe clive owen, because if i looked like someone like di caprio i would be compelled to mutilate myself.

have you seen his interview in that "inside the actor's studio" show?? he was goddamn brilliant.

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
I've never seen Eyes Wide Shut (Tom Cruise just pisses me the hell off, so his movies tend to stand no chance with me), Full Metal Jacket was okay overall (very good first half, underwhelming second), and both The Shining and A Clockwork Orange please me.

I like your comment about Tom Cruise. I realized the other day the only things I ever saw him in were Rainman and the Mission Impossible movies. And only Rainman was good. And that was thanks to Dustin Hoffman, of whom I am a fan.

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
I was having a conversation with a friend recently, and we were trying to pinpoint the moment when Nicolas Cage stopped being the most fantastic, exciting, charasmatic, just fucking AMAZING living American actor.

Gone In 60 seconds. Or 8mm. Whichever came first, I didn't feel like pulling up imdb for this.

Incidentaly, I didn't totally hate Gone In 60 Seconds, at least when it came out. I think this was mostly due to it being roughly around the Fast and Furious release (once again, didn't check imdb for this one) and compared to it, it was a masterpiece. Of course, that's not saying much.

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I loved that movie!

'Sideways' sucked off trannies.

Geez, how did I forget to mention Sideways? God, all I heard about forever was how great this was, and I finally got around to seeing it, only to be GREATLY GREATLY disappointed.

jico. 04.15.2007 07:33 PM

remember that part when theu threw an old man thru a window... sometimes i would like to do that to polanski...... he's a 13 year old pervert andddddd ..............
sometimes he's a fuckagd snob and makes but then aioa there's's this brilliant short films and jkasf ça but I love him andap shiypk+ hary

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
Gone In 60 seconds. Or 8mm. Whichever came first, I didn't feel like pulling up imdb for this.


http://imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

face/off was before that & leaving las vegas was in 1995. may have been earlier... who knows?

RdTv 04.15.2007 07:36 PM

Very true about Sideways being overrated, not saying it was god-awful (the more I watch it the more I realize this statement isn't true), but I agree it was severly overrated.

luxinterior 04.15.2007 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
ha ha, i actually like his face-- i don't like pretty boy actors, they are annoying. i don't fantasize being a famous actor but if i had to choose to be one it would be him or maybe clive owen, because if i looked like someone like di caprio i would be compelled to mutilate myself.

have you seen his interview in that "inside the actor's studio" show?? he was goddamn brilliant.


I'm a huge fan of his face, I'm sure I've said that before in another thread or two.

I have that interview on tape. I realize that I'm probably revealing a little too much about my fascination with Willem Dafoe, but it was bound to make an appearance sooner or later.

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
http://imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

face/off was before that & leaving las vegas was in 1995. may have been earlier... who knows?

Showoff :) All I know is I miss the days of Raising Arizona.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RdTv
Very true about Sideways being overrated, not saying it was god-awful (the more I watch it the more I realize this statement isn't true), but I agree it was severly overrated.


sideways had a great screenplay, but the cinematography was god-awful, looked like it was shot in 16mm. it also had a couple of great actors, what's his name and the other (ha ha)-- no, really, that guy should have won the oscar, he was so excellent. i keep wanting to call him harvey pekar but i know that's not him. the actor who played him. ththhthththt....

--
ps giamatti! paul giamatti-- wonderful job he did

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
sideways had a great screenplay, but the cinematography was god-awful, looked like it was shot in 16mm. it also had a couple of great actors, what's his name and the other (ha ha)-- no, really, that guy should have won the oscar, he was so excellent. i keep wanting to call him harvey pekar but i know that's not him. the actor who played him. ththhthththt....

Paul Giamatti is his name, and I lost respect for him after this movie. It took The Illusionist to win it back. And whoever decided to cast the wacky guy from "Wings"... well, I don't even know what to say about that person. Just die. That's all I can think of.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:50 PM

ha ha ha , ok, we disagree on that one, o well...

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jico.
nao me fodas. ainda estou para ver isso.....nao teve piada.

who? me?? nao te... fodo??? ha ha ha

afterthefact 04.15.2007 07:57 PM

hey, it happens.

!@#$%! 04.15.2007 07:58 PM

afterthefact--
i gotta go, but before i have to ask--
what is it that bothered you about giamatti's performance in that movie? (are we talking sideways, right?)
sure he portrayed an unlikeable pathetic fuck, and i sure detested the character, but he was just very good at playing a pathetic fuck, i don't see how he performed poorly in that one. when he steals money from his mothers drawer i am ready to vomit but the acting was great. or so i think anyway.

hm, so i really gotta go but will check back for your comments. seeya.

afterthefact 04.15.2007 08:04 PM

I don't know really, Giamatti is always borderline for me anyways. I know a lot of people praise him, but he never really does much for me. I'm not saying that other people are wrong, each persons taste is just different. I think though the fact that I'm not a huge Giamatti fan combined with the fact that this was an easily hatable character just turned me off to him after this, at least for a while. And I do apologize if you searched for my reply only to find this, as opposed to a well thought out criticism, but it's all I got :)

Sonic Youth 37 04.15.2007 08:59 PM

I don't think Pulp Fiction is over-rated. Over-quoted and mentioned, yes, but not over-rated.

k-krack 04.15.2007 09:04 PM

I hated Sideways. Not at all a good movie...Grotesquely overrated.

Silent Dan Speaks 04.15.2007 09:28 PM

Let me be the first to say Saving Private Ryan. I just don't get why so many people worship this movie.

Sonic Youth 37 04.15.2007 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent Dan Speaks
Let me be the first to say Saving Private Ryan. I just don't get why so many people worship this movie.


I'll agree with you on this.

The series Band of Brothers, although it is produced by the same people as the movie, is infinently better.

SynthethicalY 04.16.2007 12:02 AM

Y tu Mamá Tambien is overrated.

!@#$%! 04.16.2007 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SynthethicalY
Y tu Mamá Tambien is overrated.


was it? i think it's quite popular in the same vein as amelie. yet the things i appreciated the most, like the political things that go on in the background, are missed on most audiences i guess. there is this whole context of class & racial differences that i'm not sure everyone picks up on, and that's what makes the movie work really work for me. the characters in themselves are ok, but they don't tell you the whole story. for me at least...

SynthethicalY 04.16.2007 12:08 AM

I don't know it got so much hype, I saw it and was left with a meh. I did not pick up the political thing, but now that you mention it, that does go out throughout the whole movie.

!@#$%! 04.16.2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SynthethicalY
I don't know it got so much hype, I saw it and was left with a meh. I did not pick up the political thing, but now that you mention it, that does go out throughout the whole movie.


the social & class differences of the 2 friends reach their climax when the one guy spits on the car window & the other calls him a "naco".

also the "naco" friend's mom is a secretary struggling to make ends meet while the other kid is stinking rich. meanwhile there is all of this social upheaval going while they are both oblivious to it-- oblivious but very much a part of it. the movie is totally incomplete if you don't take this into account.

SynthethicalY 04.16.2007 12:15 AM

I am trying to remember this. I have a bad memory.


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