I like that about Deerhoof. You don't really get a whole lot of that in the grand scheme of music, so when Deerhoof does it, it's cool with me.

Sonic Youth if THEY DIDN'T SUCK

Primus if their songs lived up to my expectations that I drew from their cool guitar sounds in the South Park credits.

I'd like Phish a lot more if, rather than playing jam music to stoners, they re-trained as plumbers and electricians and came round to sort my house out, possibly stopping for a cup of strong sugary tea or two.

Without disagreeing with you per se, I still say, piss off.

I can't elucidate that.

I would like Deerhoof a lot without the squeeky voice deal.

I totally love you.

Oh, and by way of an addition to my previous post - Phish had better clean their filthy pits before they even think about having a go at my shower-head.

That's not a metaphor, in case anyone's wondering.

Pavement remind me of a kid who wants to be manly without having developed the body to show it all off. Brilliant sometimes, but generally lacking any of the force that they aspire to.

I think whoever said they were good at melody was right, that's what makes the UNBELIEVABLY SHIT lyrics stand out. I can listen to Pavement about two days a year, the days when I don't have my ability to hear lyrics head on.

listen to the music. get over the personalities of the band, and their stage show. It's the MUSIC.

are you a moron? do you not knwo that gibby and company had NO MONEY and touch and Go were ripping them off and Touch & Go ripped EVETRYONE off?

Long live the buttholes!

and malkmus' lyrics are fucking wonderful. I will take them any day over the bullshit boy needs girl lyrics that fill so much of music.

if you don;t like malkmus' lyrics then you don;t like thurston;s lyrics and you don;t like kim;s lyrics. they all flow from the same fount.

Classical indie. There you go, I've coined the term for you. Now, go and compose three movements for kebab shop-approaching and getting your butt out of The Garage, and the whole thing will fall into place. Do you fancy a record contract?

A nice idea, but Comet Gain have made a career out of it already.

Obsequious without being intelligent; oblique without being enticing; far too fucking arch; faux-random. Latter-period he can write the odd alright tune.

SY, meanwhile, say nothing in particular very well - their lyrics never jump out and say, "hello, I'm a smart lyric, please admire my smartness". Well, sometimes, but generally not.


Record contract? I'm so indie I sell my records by psychic connection. I do quite like the Kaiser Chiefs though.

I didn't know. When?

Pssh. You're obviously not indie enough. Maybe if you'd like, uh, got it you'd like, uh, totally get it? Pssh.

Will you grab my hand? I walk like a child.


She saw you typing Cindy, Mary and Shirley on your typewriter.

So wrong, it was the handkerchief that granddad gave me to prove that i cleaned the car the right way.


It's for you, Glice. Indie.

I wrote a gay coming out song once that was really gay and indie. The chorus went, "I'm gay, I'm gay and I'm happier this way" and had lyrics like, "my heart skips a beat/ at the sight of his size ten feet". It's quite good.

Thank you for the moron comment. It brought a tear to my jap's eye.

I would wager just about every band on Touch and Go, in fact the overwhelming majority of bands on both major and indie lables, could claim the "no money" reason. So what? From my subjective perspective, the Buttholes suddenly became interested in suing Touch and Go once they'd been booted off EMI. Also, the last time I checked, Corey Rusk has an exemplary track record in dealing with his artists, both present and past. With all respect, I do not agree with your comments re. T & G. Could you please provide solid evidence as to who else Corek Rusk and co. ripped off?

Smashing Pumpkins if only Corgan hadn't lost all his hair.

It's a good thing my attraction to you is entirely animal and shallow.

And, it's easy to hate Malkmus - he's an 'indie' poster boy, wore Peel as a badge, and gives thirty-some soccer moms lewdly rebellious daydreams. I hold his hair personally responsible for the "indie fringe," he should have offed himself after Slanted & Enchanted, and he has horribly unfortunate crow's feet.

That being said, the music is catchy, and his ass looks good in jeans. That suffices for me.

yes.

long live the buttholes.

and pavement's EARLY lyrics were amazing.. after slanted, they were hit or miss. but who cares? they're not as terrible as, like, placebo lyrics or smashing punkings or something..

I put it down to the fact that I find both Malkmus and his lyrics insincere, at the very least. And I can spot a real eccentric wordsmith just like that, on the spot.

Pavement. They're like Aztec Camera. On acid.

I hope you're not serious because that's one utterly stupid reason.

I like his lyrics, they're off the wall and random, but they make me smile. Why does music need to be serious?

I'd like U2 more if Bono shot himself.

I'd like The Sea and Cake more if their music was darker.

I'm not a Pavement fan but that song is awesome.

I'd like the polyphonic spree if a small snippet of one of their songs wasn't used in Sainsbury's advertisements to accompany some smug recipe tips spouting like unstoppable vomit out of Jamie Oliver's mouth.

Mr. Bungle if they weren't entirely like being surrounded by 12-year-olds from "special" classes.

hmm.. wow, i'm not sure if you know what a "special" class is, considering mr. bungle is easily one of the most talented, inventive, and innovative bands EVER. not in the past 10 years, but EVER. i get the gist of what you're saying, i'm just blown away by your statement...

california has no joking whatsoever on it, and disco volante has very little. i guess the self-titled album has songs about farts and butts and sex and john travolta so if that's all you've heard, then yeah.. but seriously man.

actually, just listen to secret chiefs 3 if patton annoys you. they're just as good (maybe better.)...

Can I use that for my motto?

If only the Stooges hadn't blotted their copybook by releasing "The Weirdness".

I'd like the Magick Markers more if they took a few guitar lessons and quit writing the most random bullshit ever to be called music.

same.

i don't care so much if they take guitar lessons, but they ARE boring and horrible. horrible. i mean, they're probably the worst band ever (maybe only beaten by the mars volta). it's just shit. it's artless stupid worthless shit. there is NOTHING in their music AT ALL that is good in ANY way. damn, i actually think i can't even say that about the mars volta (at least they have an OKAY riff out of every 500 on every song..).. i'm all for noise, "no wave" (which magik markers try to be), not-knowing-how-to-play, whatever, but goddamn.. magick markers are just SHIT. i've been trying to tell people this for a few years now.. god damn i hate them. i like the IDEA of them, but as a band, they're just completely fucknig SHIT. can't believe they put out shit through ecstatic peace. god damn. fucking horrible.