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my wife has been vegetairan (not vegan- completely different) all her life. why? cuz she cant stand the texture of meat. it turns her stomach. and she doesnt eat fish. if you claim to be a vegetarian and you eat fish you are only deluding yrself. jelly/jello is in there too, that is a meat product too!!!
vegetarians do not eat any meat of any animal fish foul or beast, vegans are the complete nutbags (literally) i couldnt live like that at all, it must be hard. mind you, i cant do without quality cooked meat on a daily basis..... ps. i didnt read thread so sorry if what i said has been covered.... |
now ive looked above and yr talking about wagner?????
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its not like vegetarians are some kind of anti social sub group. i am vege but i am not self righteous or anything like that. i dont eat met because i think its wronf to kill animals and having seen first hand what actually happens in an abotoir i find it really horrible. |
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She's not vegetarian, going by the proper definition. But the fact that she's committed herself to a conscious and compassionate option is great, I think. And of course, it may well be he first step towards becoming vegetarian at some point. It'd great that you are treating her decision with respect, because children not being taken seriously is the biggest barrier to them making choices. In my experience, from the ones I talk to t work, at seven years of age, children are more than ready and capable of informed choices based upon their own assessment of a situation rather than pressure. They understand a lot more than they are given credit for. As for stuff to give her: plain cashew nuts are great in curries, and all nuts are full of pretein. |
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I've read a lot of philosophical papers which talk about Wagner as 'the great lost poet' or a perfect instance of Hegelian synthesis, and the usual reactionary nonsense about anti-semitism. And, of course, Nietzsche. I am an anti-semite, according to my ex-girlfriend at about 11 O'clock on porim and pretty much constantly during her cousin's batmitzvah. |
i went under cover as a vegeatarian for 5 years, and i'll tell you this, never have i met a more self-righteous, self-satisfied, joyless and closed minded bunch of people in my life. also, they are incredibly deceitful, if you quiz them about whether they think they are better than everyone else they'll deny it, but when there aren't any meat eaters around, and the vegetarians think they are safe, out come the high horses, the disdain and disgust for their fellow man, and haughty self-satisfied sneers at their own presumed moral superiority. Not to mention half-baked scientific theories to justify their diets of tofu and gruel.
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Everyone is a snob about something when they are comfortable and familiar.
Thanks for the nice comments though. |
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I really like some of the products Yves has... www.yvesveggie.com There's recipes on the site too :) |
Believe me, it's no coincidence that Hitler was a vegetarian!
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Yep, and everyone with a moustache kills Jews and gays and gypsies.
Or at least wants to. |
Of course, Joseph Stalin was famous for eating meat, and he's seen by some as even worse than Hitler. I wonder if that proves a simlar point about meat-eaters...
Or would suggesting that just be trolling nonsense? |
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no that would be ridiculous! vegetarians are plotting the downfall of humble meat eaters as we speak! |
Tell me there aren't any number of ways in which you secretly feel superior to other people.
If you don't have these feelings about some facet of your life, you are lying to yourself. Nothing wrong with it either. People are stupid. |
for the record, peter singer is a moron. just because i'm a vegetarian doesn't mean that i believe any differentiation between men and animals on the grounds that men have a rational faculty that they are required to use in order to survive (which animals, being largely instinctive in nature, do not) amounts to wholly unjustifiable "species-ism."
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No problem :) |
i do have vegan friends who are fairly joyless and cannot find humour in anything but everyone can be self righteous about something. take hip hop or rap for example. recall a massive debate about that on the previous board. i personally dont go around telling people what to eat or that i dont like meat. its funny that people think that there is nothing but meat to eat, like nothing else exists and i am always asked 'what do you eat'?
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I made no judgement there.
I'm a live and let kill kinda guy. |
I have been vegetarian for about a year and a half now. Kinda been on and off vegan. I am for lots of reasons but mainly I just don't feel that I have the right to eat a dead who has suffered so much when it is not at all necessary because there are so many alternatives available. If we were living in a world were meat was the only viable way to survive then maybe it would be justified but it isnt. I guess the health reason comes into it a bit but that isnt really my main reason. Though I have started eating so much more healthy since I gave up meat
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My sister was a vegetarian for a couple years while we were growing up. She gave it up, but her vegetarianism introduced me to the fine world of meat substitute products.
I still buy and eat the soy hot dogs (not dogs) and the fake hamburger patties made with veggies. I like how they taste. Just today I bought some not dogs at the grocery store. The fake cheese is terrible though. |
Soy cheese is usually bad, and a lot of it contains milk protein (?).
Pizza Luce in Mpls has a KILLER ricotta substitute called Rinotta though. Locals, try it! |
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In the UK, nearly all cheese is veggie now anyway, even when it doesn't say so, whichis a good thing as substitute cheese does suck. A lot of veggie food is great nowadays: over the years my girlfriend has moved to apoint very close to vegetarianism just because she has found that she prefers the veggie option. And you cannot say no to chilli bean burgers, as that would be very wrong indeed! |
I think the fake cheese is for vegans.
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It is indeed. I think.
I've never tried the fake fish fingers, I'm rather dubious about them. |
You would think so, but like I said, A LOT of soy cheese has milk protein in it. You need to read those labels closely. Counterintuitive, isn't it?
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It's the Asian chutneys and stuff I nearly fall for. Things like chilli and cocnut chutney which has fish paste in it.
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Ok, so this isn't the 'carnivore challenges veggie to be the most consistent person ever' comment... but... Meat substitutes. Veggie sausages. First of all, they taste like shit. Second of all, and, again, this isn't a challenge - why would a vegetarian (one who is commited to the cause of the vegetable) want a vegetarian version of a foodstuff that is a vehicle for the greatness of meat (sausage)?
Bean burgers are ace, and you can make a pretty decent chilli out of veggie mince... the question is more why are there veggie sausages if veggie sausages taste like utter shit? |
I'm with you all the way on this. I have no desire to eat simulated meat, because I don't miss it. Some of that stuff is uper gross, esp, the hot dogs.
I do love veggie burgers, but they are similar in shape only in a lot of cases. |
this thread is making me crave a big juicy grilled steak
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Good, that's nice to hear (well, read, but you know what I mean). It's surprising how many vegetarians I've met will try and convince me that veggie sausages are 'just the same'. They're really, really not. I should know, I eat meat.
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tofu dogs taste like chemical sludge
on the other hand there are these QUORN patties made from mushrooms that are quite tasty. STEAK. |
Now I'm craving a dead animal that I paid someone else who I will never meet to kill. Hmm. I think there's a pork pie in the fridge. Incidentally, I've lived on a farm for a bit, and killed a chicken. Wasn't fun, but I have at least assuaged veggies of one possible hypocrisy.
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Not that I can remember precisely what real sausages etc taste like after solong, but I agree wholeheartedly. Some veggie versions taste awful, but some are very nice indeed. Most things by Cauldron are pretty nice. |
there's a vegetarian fast food place in london that has vege burgers that are better than any meat burger i've ever tasted. but yeah, meat substitutes are lame.
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Oh and we shall not forget vegetarian bacon.Tastes nice and feels and looks like a plastic strip.Vegetarians with meaty guilt anyone?
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I had this plan to make meat substitutes for vegetables... lettuce made with bacon strips, cheese made with chicken, that kind of thing. It's a ridiculous idea, but if it works the other way round, I can't see why I shouldn't make a shitload from an irrational idea.
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i have been a vegetarian for seven years now and i can't imagine it being different.. i never liked meat, so i was allowed to stop eating it when i was ten :) ive always been healthy, just some lung problems due to allergies, and i feel good.. i became a vegetarian because i don't like eating meat and because i dont want anything to be killed just to give me something i don't really need. i do eat milk and eggs though, because a cow naturally gives milk and a chicken lays eggs, it doesnt hurt or kills them. (of course you have these chicken farms with chickens in really small cages, just there to lay an egg everyday, but i don't eat those.. only eggs from chickens that can walk around freely :)
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Kegmama,
Check out seitan. It's got protein, and has a nice meaty texture and all of that good stuff. I couldn't live with out it. |
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come to america. you'll get rich. -- on a separate yet tangentially related note, i just had a 1/2 lb burger and 2 fried eggs. oh yeah.... that's breakfast... |
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