i find it really weird because i mean i can play things like that and i'm not a very good guitar player. if you gave me a tab for the solo and 20 minutes i could have it completely worked out.

I think that's wonderful, Cantankerous. But that doesn't rewrite the fact that Mick Taylor is responsible for the extended solo and not Keith. If you can play as lyrically as Mick Taylor, you've got some fine chops, girl.

yeah i know he's responsible for it, we've been over that. but i don't believe that keith was incapable of playing it, because he's better than me and i could do it.

You're alone on that one, sister.
I think gmku is right on this...sounds like Taylor...I've got a video of them at The Marquee Club in '71, but they don't play Knockin'.

Rather enjoy yappin' 'bout The Stones in the wee hours without interruptions though.

Think we're the only three here that have always consistently extolled their virtues.

Ha ha. Well, okay, much as I love Keef, I will never concede that he could play as well as Mick Taylor. Mick was a virtuoso, polished musician. Keef was an awesome rockandroll guitar player. But that's a big difference.

The way I understand it, you hear Taylor the most on Sticky. Yet another way they tended to undermine Taylor. His resentment really started to grow after Fingers because he wasn't credited properly.

i give up. no one understands what i'm trying to say.

Yeah, I can get obsessed about this period. Every source I've ever read, including quotes from Keef and Taylor themselves, confirm that Taylor does the solo. And it sounds like Taylor. They each had a different sound, a different way of playing. I can tell Keith from Taylor.

he's not on beggar's banquet.

you're right, thinkin' of the live tours that followed

you must've quoted right as i edited

Exactly.

Time Waits for No One is another beautiful Taylor song. That long ending is all his, and it's just gorgeous.

The "problem" w/ Taylor in the Stones, if you want to call it a problem, is that he was first and foremost a trained and skilled musician, and only by occupation, in the slot he was filling, a rock and roll guitar player.

he just wasn't suited to the band. that's all i'm getting at.

"exactly" except for my rather embarrassing gaffe, that is. we all make 'em, but that was a huge 'un.

damn, Saturnine, you have it out for Taylor...if you listen to the bootlegs then it's extremely obvious that he's stealing the show

Excuse me, westernwhateverthefuckyourproblemis, but could you go crawl back into your padded room and masturbate or something for a while?

Seriously, Tanky. Stones fans of the time loved him. I don't get your pain over this. I even have a Stones boot from the 72 tour called Mick Taylor, We Miss You!

i have several bootlegs from that period and he just doesn't integrate with the rest of the band properly. they're not a "guitar solo" kind of band, they're not deep purple or carlos santana, never were and never will be.

what makes it worse is that he wasn't personable at all.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. And I couldn't disagree with you more strongly on every point. But you know... it's only rock and roll.

okay, now I'm getting what you're saying more...you feel he upsets the stone groove with too much flair

hey, some of his playing is "too much" like I wrote before, but when he's on, damn, he's on like few guitarists before or since...and having a legendary backing band haha of The Stones' magnitude doesn't hurt.

it should have been "the rolling stones featuring mick taylor" rather than "mick taylor featuring the rolling stones"

he's a damn good guitarist but he needed his own band.

One thing is for sure as far as the studio albums though. Sticky Fingers would not be possible without him.

But hey, how 'bout that Goats Head Soup album?

i agree

as the stones sound evolved though, ronnie's the right man for the job

Oh, come on. He was an integral part of their sound. He didn't derail their sound. He contributed to it. What the Stones sound like with Taylor is simply what the Stones sounded like during that era. They don't sound wrong because of him, or un-Stones-like. The Stones sound changed continually, so to say that he caused a problem is simply ridiculous. He was part of their evolution into the band they became circa 69 to 73. And I think the success of his part in the band is at least partly supported by how well, critically and commercially, those albums are received.

Ewww, yer a gettin my blood boiling!

i'm never going to agree with you. don't even try.

AH, piss on Goats Head. Mick Taylor can kiss my ass.

So you don't like Sticky Fingers and Exile, I take it?

i love all of their albums up to tattoo you but it's got nothing to do with who was playing guitar. the fact of the matter is while mick taylor is a phenomenal guitar player i don't think he was the right guitar player and i never will.

Well, as atari has said, I believe this is pretty far from the consensus of Stones fans like everywhere and throughout all future time... . I think you have to consider, too, that several of the albums you love simply would not be the albums you love without Taylor and his contributions, credited and otherwise... .

She likes them with jack-of-all-trades Brian best I guess (I love that stuff too) and then she likes when Ronnie came in as a guitarist.


I was being harsh with Ronnie earlier. I even like most of Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You.

Per the thread, "Tops" and "Waitin' on a Friend" (feat. saxophone collosus Sonny Rollins) from Tattoo You were recorded during the Goats Head Soup sessions and Taylor plays on those.

the albums i like best are actually the ones with mick taylor on them, followed by the ones with brian. studio and live are two different things.

Hey, yeah, that's right. I forgot Taylor's on that record.

Wiki is my friend; I had completely forgotten too. At one time, (just like you) I did know though...really. ha

Rob can arrive later today to remind us how much he digs "Waiting on a Friend."

Tank Girl, if you can get past some amount of Taylor's playing that you perceive (or so it sort of seems) as showing-off-for-showing-off's sake live, there's also plenty of zeniths.

Taylor is technically great, yes, but he's naturally such a wunderkind that he plays the songs live different all the time. I don't see your objection to it to the same degree, but then again, there's no use in splitting hairs. You like what you like.

I have a boot called Nasty Music, culled from the 72 and 73 tours, that just blow me away because of Taylor's playing. And in spite of whatever personal friction they had, you can hear Taylor and Richards click perfectly together as players, working off each other's parts, picking up subtle clues.

So now that I've thoroughly beat that dead horse of an argument to death (and won, I might add), how about that Goats Head Soup album?

Damn, how great would Goats be with "Waiting on a Friend?" Why would they not include it? It boggles the mind.

...Jus' sittin' here pickin' "Angie" thinkin' that I should go to bed...

you can't win an argument if no one even understands the opposition

as usual

i quit.

Yeah, seriously! In place of Starfucker or Can You Hear the Music, especially.

You know I'm just teasing. Jesus. Come back! We LOVE you. Even if you don't love Mick Taylor, we still love YOU! I'm sure Mick Taylor would love you, too, if he knew you. Please come back.

I was just bored when I called ya 'Tank Girl.'

Come back Glimmer Gal!

I really do need to retire, however. Tried to call a friend in Seattle to help keep me up, but they aren't answering.

no
i love both of those songs so much

I'm hitting the sack. Good night, atari. Sweet dreams, Cantankerous.