Lightning Bolt are my girlfriend's favorite band.

i've only listened to a lightning bolt album once a long time ago and didn't like it, then never listened to them again.

Everyone on here likes OOIOO.

Everyone on here likes Stars of the Lid.

Everyone on here likes Shellac.

well i'm listening to Wonderful Rainbow and so far i like it. might listen to Hypermagic Mountain afterwards.

The first punk band is The Ramones , to me.

same, i consider the stooges etc just rock 'n roll.

are you kidding me? the stooges incorporated punk, noise, free jazz, they were light years ahead of their time. la blues is no wave.

the stooges, blue cheer, MC5 were NOT PUNK! they were just regular but darker garage rock, like th animals or a million other bands that the fuck from the e street band plays in his radio show! the first two stooges records have just as much turgid BULLSHIT as anyone says about the first two sabbath records.

the stooges did not incorporate SHIT
they just rocked as passionately as possible, with absolutely minimal technical skill, and managed to pull it off.

I ahve never heard OOIOO or stars of the lid. (shitty name BTW, almost all-time shitty))

I need to go listen

Considering Black Sabbath came from Birmingham, working class, loads of children...I would say they adequeting represent the spirit of punk.

We are not talking about silver spoons or private educations here people...

Musically, it is not really all that different, I am afriad to say. Metallica, Green Day, Ramones...

To set 'punk' at certain band or gig is silly. Joan of Arc was punk, Jesus too.

I'm so sick of this thread.

I like her panties

Nope.. while the albums mild connections to punk make some sense, sabbath can not rationally be associated with the movement. Its their sort of bombast that helped create punk's reactionary music in the first place.
Great band (for about 4 albums anyways) but not really punk.

man, she sounds like a damn good person.. sorry to presume on the basis of just one sentence...

i would like to shake her hand in fond affection of being such a good person!!!!
or at least send some myspace kudos!

yeah me too.

who cares.

Haha.

End of thread.

Here Are The Sonics was the first punk rock album. 1965. Major influence on the Kinks and the Who. Loud as fuck, teen angst, "STRYCHNINE!"

dumbass thead....I mean, really.

sounds pretty punk to me


but ok, they were not "punk", as punk wasn´t even "inventet" yet, but still they made the blueprint for punkrock. three chord nihilistic rocknroll.

and yeah, dumd thread.
We should have a "i´m more punk than thou" and "this band is so much more punk than that band" thread. Those are usualy very constructive


final words:
gabba gabba hey

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end of the thread.

the true bombast was bloated prog rock, not sabbath man.

ramones covered chuck berry

does that make chuck berry punk?

NO

it makes them rock n rolllllllll

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I AGREE. War pigs, electric funeral and hand of doom are actually the first rock metal punk songs recorded. Punk in the feel and attitude, angst-rock metal doom in sound, and the sirens at the beginning of war pigs sounds like an introduction to a punk album. Alot of angst against those who have power that screw with or screw over mostly the fellow man, and women and children. We just want whats right in the world, we don't need their crap.

The first punk album was White Light/White Heat. That’s my timeline. Period.

Also I don’t think there’s anything punk about Sabbath. There are certainly similarities between metal and punk, but... no. Paranoid was not the first punk album. Or a punk album.

There are plenty of savage teenage garage 45s pre WL/WH by many years that are extremely "punk" in spirit and sound.
I believe Suicide were the first to refer to their music as "punk" on a show poster circa 71.

I know, but I think WL/WH cemented whatever was floating around in the periphery of the zeitgeist at the time. Took the Stooges and Ramones and Suicide and Pistols and blah blah to really hammer it into what it became, but fuck man... I can think of virtually no songs that are more “punk” in sound and spirit than “Sister Ray.”

Whatever. Long as you don’t think it was Paranoid.

I heard punk was first used in ref to NY Dolls. Not saying Clone is wrong (I expect he is right) , just comparing scraps of info.

Anyone who thinks Paranoid is the first Punk record needs a punch in the head.

If yr going down the route of calling proto-punk stuff punk (cf Velvet Underground) which it isn't anyway, I see yr White Light/White Heat and raise you a Churchmice "Babe We're not a Part of Society".

But Savage Clone is talking about proto-punk stuff too. Honestly, anything that was punk before punk was a thing is proto-punk, so the first punk album either has to be proto-punk by necessity or we’re talking about something else. Like, the the first album to be referred to as punk or the first band to refer to itself as punk are both very different from the first punk album.

Anyway, I respect your opinions and stuff, but I’m still going with WL/WH after years of careful consideration. Not only because of the song structure or attitudes or the gazillion punk bands that were influenced by it, but also because of the decisions made on the album with respect to presentation, mixing, mastering, etc. There was a deliberate effort on behalf of the musicians to unsettle and disquiet, both sonically and lyrically. There was corrosive quality to the music that dared people to listen to it, and even the chill moments are filled with really bizarre and risqué stories and themes.

WL/WH is the first album I can think of where a band with any amount of buzz or interest (however small) decided to do pretty much everything they could to piss off an alienate people. Title track alone is mixed like a spider drowning in cotton candy. Last track is 17 minutes of two-chord mayhem. ‘S’fucking punk, man.

Again, just my take.

I thought the first punk record was Louie Louie? hahahahahaha

(It isn't the 1st punk album, obviously, but a lot of jazz from that era seemed to have more punk spirit than plenty of albums that are considered to be.)

For sure!

more Cooley resurrections please

It's the Ramones. If you think anything else, yr just a hipster. When the Ramones came out, that was the sound no doubt. That was the birth. That was the blueprint.