I hate stone temple pilots

That's so 1992, man.

^^^ Wisdom is wise in this young one (to DDD).

On the drugs/music tip....I'd LOVE it to be true that J Coltrane was off his chomp on LSD when he recorded "Live In Seattle" (tis been the rumour on this one for many a year now).

John Coltrane didn't take drugs, though.

For the most part writing good music is just work, trial and error, trying, erasing and trying again. Inspiration is the first impetus and then it's just work.

^^Right gogo...

but drugs can help you skip levels of advancement, sometimes.

If the talent isn't there, drugs won't make you write well. Infact they may destroy any chance of finding your talent because you'll fall in love with the drugs and fall out of love with the music.

Only if you have the drive, and try and try and fail and fail and then have some success with writing should you try heavy drugs. Then you'll change yr philosophies on how to write.

For me I feel I had alot of good ideas but no direction, drugs pointed me in the right direction, but try not to write ON drugs, but AFTER the drug experience. Writing on drugs is usually always shit, usually...

then after awhile drugs can lead you in the wrong direction, so go with yr first hint then lay off the drugs a bit....


I'm in the process of cleaning myself up

^^What do you say when the words or music doesn't come? Fumble your way thru what you're trying to convey until you find some sense.

John Coltrane's history with drugs I find 200% more interesting than Lou Reed's for so many reasons that I can't be bothered to chat about right now.

i tend to think that people who did brilliant things on drugs would've done brilliant things anyway, only more of them, and for longer.

Agreed.

The guys in Fugazi never did drugs and they're fantastic
Jimi Hendrix did a shitload of drugs and he's regarded as one of the greatest guitar players ever
The guys in those straight-edge Boston hardcore bands (SSD, DYS ect.) never did drugs and they sucked
Lil Wayne does enough drugs and he is terrible

No amount of drugs in the world could have made the guys in SSD creative, but I'm sure Fugazi still would have made great music had they been on LSD all the time. Creative people are creative people and they will make great art either way. Drugs can influence their art, but it by no means makes them a more proficient artist.

different strokes for different folks

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in a very personal way

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Yeah I'm going to have to disagree. Personal experience has taught me that the best music is made when a group of good friends wander over to their instruments at the peak of an opiate and weed high, and slowly start jamming in an improvised song.

You need to be that very specific kind of high, when you're a little too fucked to converse anymore, but are still feeling awesome, and have not yet started worrying who's going to get the last bump.

Just remember to record it somehow. A two hour jam session, representing the best music I've ever been a part of was lost because someone was too doped up to handle a four track.

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Do you remember 2009? 2009 was rubbish

In regards to drugs and music, from my experience drugs inspire great music, but they don't literally create it. I have never created great music when on drugs, be they heavy or hallucinogenic. Oh, I've had great times drugged out in studios, or playing guitar on mountain peaks on mushrooms, or in darkened rooms on DMT, however truth be told, the music created then, either on tape or by memory was never very good. However, much of my good music was inspired by those. The muse is found on the drugs, but even brief moments of sobriety are required I feel to concrete the colash of sounds into music

In regards to drugs and music, from my experience drugs inspire great music, but they don't literally create it. I have never created great music when on drugs, be they heavy or hallucinogenic. Oh, I've had great times drugged out in studios, or playing guitar on mountain peaks on mushrooms, or in darkened rooms on DMT, however truth be told, the music created then, either on tape or by memory was never very good. However, much of my good music was inspired by those. The muse is found on the drugs, but even brief moments of sobriety are required I feel to concrete the colash of sounds into music

I just saw the following retweet from of a Dave Navaro tweet:

"Just learned our friend Scott Weiland has died. So gutted, I am thinking of his family tonight."

TMZ on it now......said Tour Manager found his body on the tour bus.

I thought we had a Scott Weiland thread at one time, but I couldn't find it???

all of swas posts were deleted so it looks like im talking to myself

looking back on this thread i stand by everything i said 100%. in fact even more since now ive seen the fate of so many real life friends who chose getting fucked up over their art and ended up failing/getting kicked out of their bands etc.

in fact i am even more convinced that the relationship between drugs and music is one of the sickest myths produced by capitalism/peoples ignorance.

its pretty despicable to me that supposedly free culture is so determined to sell a myth about drugs that links them to creativity, pleasure and psychological exploration. since refusing to pursue your own enjoyment above all else (especially critical thought) is a cultural imperative so viciously enforced most people can't even recognize it, the next generation of junkies is gonna be even worse than mine. but having your body harvested through addiction for (other peoples profit) while narrating it as your own personal celebrity self quest is the name of the game and i'm practically a terrorist for speaking badly of it.

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hardly surprised about weiland. check out his last years/howard stern interview in particular to see just how creative and happy you can get through accumulating brain damage through a career as a late capitalist dionysus impersonator

of course you're all individual subjects with a supernatural free will that will allow you to take exactly the right amount and stop before anything bad happens because the findings of neuroscience are less real than our 1st person experience of ourselves.

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also i'd hazard a guess that i did more and harder drugs than all or nearly all the surviving posters from this thread*

*except maybe suchbongs who smokes many pots as parts of his religion

I haven´t read this whole thread, so maybe this has already said. Anyway hard to imagine how 66-69 music would have sounded if the music makers hadn´t taken LSD. Then again I don´t say LSD increase creativity, I believe Beatles etc. would have made great records without LSD.

Along with swa, all of my posts were deleted too. I guess the world just wasn't ready for the craic

Anyone else ever see old n'ik-centric threads and think he was right way more than people at the time would admit? I used to think some of the things he said to me were bizarre but they actually make a lot more sense now. It took me actually having an up and down relationship with drugs and far left radicalisation to understand his perspective in this thread for example.



Also I only found this thread cause someone gave me rep for my "Drugs aren't my thing" post hahah.

He was funny as hell too hahahah

Ringo said the exact opposite of this. Everything The Beatles laid down when fucked up was useless/scrapped. 2009, 1969, 2019, whatever.