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Genteel Death 01.20.2010 05:02 PM

Bill Orcutt: Just got an interview request from German radio (WDR) to discuss this subject

Toilet & Bowels 01.20.2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Bill Orcutt: Just got an interview request from German radio (WDR) to discuss this subject


Where do you get all this Bill Orcutt info?




Pouncey, never really liked his writing found it to be kind of someone writing without really having the extensive frame of reference that his subject matter needs, cf that piece in the Wire a few years ago about "Subterranean Metal", plus lacking in any kind of charisma, which ties in with what glice says.
Pretty much I think that if you can't write as well as and don't have the encyclopaedic knowledge of Byron Coley, Joe Carducci, or Tom Lax then you shouldn't bother writing about rock music.

Genteel Death 01.21.2010 01:10 AM

I get the information from his facebook page.

!@#$%! 01.21.2010 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
I get the information from his facebook page.


...aaaand that's what i was just about to ask, and where to find the record, and all-- thanks for the recommendation, & the reference, etc.

Genteel Death 01.21.2010 02:29 AM

Palilalia Records repressed it and you can buy it from their website.
http://palilalia.com/

plust 01.21.2010 05:06 PM

hi im a new user on this forum and it looks like there are tons of little girls here with fragile self esteems who don't seem to understand even the most obvious attempts at baiting who should i have respect for here

But in all honesty that letter is total masturbation. As is the original review. Whatever.

also hi im new my posts will have lots of content

edit: hi bill orcutt

atsonicpark 05.21.2010 05:44 PM

Interesting letter, thanks, just got around to reading it.

Come back plust!

Glice 05.21.2010 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
encyclopaedic knowledge of Byron Coley, Joe Carducci, or Tom Lax then you shouldn't bother writing about rock music.


Just to pick up on this - Coley is a great writer, but I think his virtue is in the self-contained logic of his ridiculous adjectives. He's clearly very knowledgeable, but then I reckon Pencil/ Pouncey is pretty up there. The problem with Pouncey - and Wire writers in general - is that there's this sense that namechecking is somehow a critical analysis. There are some very nuanced writers there - I really like Brian Morley - but a lot of them (as the letter at the beginning of this thread alludes to) write in this cod-academic style that's not massively helpful. If anyone knows of any mags that do look at a similar field to the Wire in a properly academic way, I'd be grateful to know. I pick up the odd jazz or classical mag, but the subject matter gets quite tiring for me.

demonrail666 05.21.2010 08:44 PM

Edwin Pouncy used to be fine when writing for Forced Exposure but his style really suffered when he went to the Wire. And as seems to be the view of most who've met him, not a particularly likeable man.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 05.21.2010 08:57 PM

I have very little formal knowledge in terms of music, have never read The Wire, and realize that this thread is older than gmku's balls; so this letter could not possibly be of any less interest to me.

But, I just wanna say that both GD, and NR seem like pretty cool guys - especially when considering the rest of the human population. Not one member on here is nearly as big of a twat, as most of the imbeciles I know in real life. It's a shame that cheap jollies are so easily absorbed from pointless, online bickering.

Genteel Death 09.16.2010 03:52 PM

Bill Orcutt guest DJs on KUSF tomorrow from 3-4pm

Genteel Death 09.16.2010 03:55 PM

http://www.kusf.org/

ilduclo 09.16.2010 04:18 PM

Cecil Taylor is really something else. Any criticism of him is pretty unwarranted, IMO, that is, if that is what that letter was sayin (?)

Toilet & Bowels 09.16.2010 06:25 PM

no the letter was criticizing the reviewer for comparing bill orcutt to cecil taylor without giving any real evidence that the comparison is warranted

Toilet & Bowels 09.16.2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Bill Orcutt guest DJs on KUSF tomorrow from 3-4pm


Cheers. 3-4pm UK time?

Genteel Death 09.16.2010 07:15 PM

American time.

Toilet & Bowels 09.17.2010 04:07 AM

Which time zone?

Genteel Death 09.17.2010 05:11 AM

They broadcast from San Francisco.

Genteel Death 09.17.2010 05:14 AM

Did you watch that video of him playing in WFMU's toilet. Amazing, better than the record imo.

Toilet & Bowels 09.17.2010 05:38 AM

yes i saw them, fantastic stuff.

Genteel Death 11.15.2010 09:45 AM

The radio DJ slot has been moved to another date apparently. Mego is also re-issuing ''A New Way to Pay Old Debts'' on CD next year.

semutahed 12.05.2010 09:25 PM

Realize this post is now older than the hills, but thought I should give credit where credit is due...

Christopher Riggs is an experimental artist who releases usually under his own name and has his own label: Holy Cheevers Tapes

Peace

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
It also doesnt sound anything like Derek Bailey.



Did Orcutt tell you to mention Bailey, Taylor and Gould? If so, maybe Orcutt should have written the review. Youve already demonstrated a lack of interest in (or perhaps aptitude for?) serious critical rigour. No need to actually review the music when the artist is feeding you lines about it.



One of my gripes with academic music theory is that its proponents see no problem writing a paper, publishing a book, or teaching a class that contains lots and lots of evidence and no point. Nothing to prove. I dont need to hear someone rattle on about a harmonic analysis of Wagners Tristan And Isolde if that analysis isnt going to lead to anything about Wagners cultural or historical significance. With your review of A New Way To Pay Old Debts you have done the opposite. Youve made a series of assertions about a works significance without providing one bit of real evidence. For shame.



Christopher Riggs Michigan, USA


Genteel Death 07.31.2011 04:24 PM

New record out in September.
http://editionsmego.com/release/eMEGO+128V

Genteel Death 11.03.2011 02:35 PM

Video made by Bill Orcutt.

http://vimeo.com/625460
Ever wondered what a web site sounds like? Not the words, but the actual data on the site itself? Here's a Lily application that let's you "play" the data in a web page like an instrument.

When the patch starts, the browser enters a DOM inspection mode and mousing over a DOM element highlights the node. Clicking on a node writes the element's data (its innerHTML value if it's a text element or the binary data if it's an image) as a sound file and the file is then loaded in a quicktime player in the patch. The sounds can then be triggered using OSC messages. While a DOM element is "playing", the browser scrolls to and highlights the element with a thick black border.

In the video, I'm spazzing out on the NY Times homepage using the monome controller, but the demo should work with any OSC enabled controller. Sound conversion code based in part on a javascript port of the baudio project.

the ikara cult 11.03.2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Video made by Bill Orcutt.

http://vimeo.com/625460
Ever wondered what a web site sounds like? Not the words, but the actual data on the site itself? Here's a Lily application that let's you "play" the data in a web page like an instrument.

When the patch starts, the browser enters a DOM inspection mode and mousing over a DOM element highlights the node. Clicking on a node writes the element's data (its innerHTML value if it's a text element or the binary data if it's an image) as a sound file and the file is then loaded in a quicktime player in the patch. The sounds can then be triggered using OSC messages. While a DOM element is "playing", the browser scrolls to and highlights the element with a thick black border.

In the video, I'm spazzing out on the NY Times homepage using the monome controller, but the demo should work with any OSC enabled controller. Sound conversion code based in part on a javascript port of the baudio project.


am i allowed to like this?

Genteel Death 11.03.2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by semutahed
Realize this post is now older than the hills, but thought I should give credit where credit is due...

Christopher Riggs is an experimental artist who releases usually under his own name and has his own label: Holy Cheevers Tapes

Peace


Thanks!

This is a video by C. Riggs playing guitar. SO FUCKING GOOD!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=5hzZoccnbvI#!


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