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automatic bzooty 06.29.2010 10:49 AM

guitar
rock
utilizing
nihilist
grunge
energy

ni'k 06.29.2010 11:04 AM

ll,l

Sucklechimp 06.29.2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
nah.. VU has a wider audience and bigger influence over other artists.. if anything SY is more like the Dead.. they stuck it out for decades, they evolved and progressed as musicians with each album and year, they had an ecclectic following and partial mainstream success, they became a household name but yet practically nobody has actually heard them, just heard of..

SY=Grateful Dead

VU= more popular than SY


I'm not really talking about longevity, I'm just talking about the music. Both bands took rock music and did completely radical things with it. I don't think SY would have existed if there wasn't a VU to lead the way, I don't think punk rock as we know it would exist either.

You can say the same thing about VU. You mention it to people and they have heard the name of the band, but most can't reference any albums or songs. Exactly the same with SY.

SY has definitely given off a jam band vibe since the Murray Street era, but I attribute that more to Jim's influence than their desire to be considered the next Grateful Dead. Also, style wise, Grateful Dead have almost nothing in common with SY. I've yet to hear a folky SY song, or banjos.

noisereductions 06.29.2010 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
Also, style wise, Grateful Dead have almost nothing in common with SY. I've yet to hear a folky SY song, or banjos.


SuchFriendsAreDangerous, care to rebut?

floatingslowly 06.29.2010 01:05 PM

I wish that I was born a thousand years ago.

 

space 06.29.2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
I'm from Oklahoma City, breathe the cow shit out and let it in.

oh my gawd.

noisereductions 06.29.2010 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space
oh my gawd.


you'z can hang out.

ni'k 06.29.2010 01:24 PM

you can talk about sonic youth.

omg

JEH-LOUS!

floatingslowly 06.29.2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
you'z can hang out.


I'd love to, but I'm booked for the week.

Code:

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Total duration: 18hr 35min | Total miles: 8091 miles


please enjoy:


 



 



 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 06.29.2010 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
I'm not really talking about longevity, I'm just talking about the music. Both bands took rock music and did completely radical things with it. I don't think SY would have existed if there wasn't a VU to lead the way, I don't think punk rock as we know it would exist either.

You can say the same thing about VU. You mention it to people and they have heard the name of the band, but most can't reference any albums or songs. Exactly the same with SY.

SY has definitely given off a jam band vibe since the Murray Street era, but I attribute that more to Jim's influence than their desire to be considered the next Grateful Dead. Also, style wise, Grateful Dead have almost nothing in common with SY. I've yet to hear a folky SY song, or banjos.


first. SY have had NOTHING near the impact and wave making in music that VU has had, so how could you possibly compare them sonically? Its apples and oranges?

in regards to GD sound, I see you have a copy of American Beauty, but clearly you have nothing else, cuz the dead are far more then simply folky, in fact they are sonic bliss. The comparison between dead music and sonic youth is so obvious.. pattern recognition/Diamond Sea/Death Valley 69/PCH/Sonic Nurse Tour = Dark Star ->Eyes the World ->playing in the band -> the wheel -> playing in the band (sandwhich) jamming, innovative, spontanious, creative, edgy... its a perfect fit.

What the dead did with combining traditional and classic tunes into psychedelic, jazz fusion jams is exactly what Sonic Youth did with simple 3chord punk and turned into jamming, explosive improv.

look at what Sonic Youth was doing on that Pattern Recognition video and tell me it isn't like the Dead space?

I never said SY desires to be the next dead, shit the dead didn't even desire to be the next dead, however the VU comparison doesn't hold water, because Sonic Youth have not been as wide-reaching or influential across music as the Velvet Underground, plain and simple.

Where as, for their fans, for their music, for their culture, for their name recognition sans music recognition, they are the dead all the way. but I already been saying that shit here on SYG for years and years now..

noisereductions 06.29.2010 01:40 PM

yeah but suchfriends, it's not like SY has fans that follow the band and see 40-something shows on one tour and then write long books about the experience.

space 06.29.2010 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
yeah but suchfriends, it's not like SY has fans that follow the band and see 40-something shows on one tour and then write long books about the experience.


 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 06.29.2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
yeah but suchfriends, it's not like SY has fans that follow the band and see 40-something shows on one tour and then write long books about the experience.


seriously? I have met at least a DOZEN SY fans who do this, and there is massive SY tape trading, in my bootleg collection SY is second place in volume, topping even my Hendrix collection, of course my Dead collection is in the hundreds but whose isn't ;)

noisereductions 06.29.2010 01:52 PM

if you guys read post #2, I say "blue font means sarcasm." I was of course referring to Jenn's wonderful book.

space 06.29.2010 01:55 PM

oh really? I didn't READ page one. WHAT DID IT SAY?? DO YOU MIND IF I ASK SUCFRENDS??

who the hell reads page 1? who the hell reads the top forum?

I WANT ANBSERS>

space 06.29.2010 01:57 PM

yo' fuck a rhyme artist
I ain't here for that
I was born with the boom-bap
respec' the name

ni'k 06.29.2010 01:59 PM

bhj

ni'k 06.29.2010 01:59 PM

Sombic Youft?

space 06.29.2010 02:02 PM

GET
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UNCUT
NARCOTICS
GROWN
EASILY

ni'k 06.29.2010 02:04 PM

gyug

space 06.29.2010 02:07 PM

GOLDEN
RETRIEVERS
UNDULATE
NEAR
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EXCAVATIONS

noisereductions 06.29.2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space
oh really? I didn't READ page one. WHAT DID IT SAY?? DO YOU MIND IF I ASK SUCFRENDS??

who the hell reads page 1? who the hell reads the top forum?

I WANT ANBSERS>


why is there trolls with 1,197 posts?

automatic bzooty 06.29.2010 02:11 PM

grunge
rules
everything
around
me

GREAM

space 06.29.2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
why is there trolls with 1,197 posts?

if you were to read post #4, you would see that you already answered that question, young man.

now if you don't mind, we are creating ART here.

ALL
REPLIES
TOPICIFIED

space 06.29.2010 02:13 PM

GERMAN
REUNIFICATION
UNDOES
NAZI
GENETIC
EXPERIMENTS

noisereductions 06.29.2010 02:14 PM

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ni'k 06.29.2010 02:15 PM

OH, I DON'T THINK SO!

 

floatingslowly 06.29.2010 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
small
peepee
and
crazy
evil


if I were to put that to music, it would go like this:

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ni'k 06.29.2010 02:24 PM

jnkj

floatingslowly 06.29.2010 02:31 PM

this forum could use more threads about, SY, VU and ME.


GROANING
RETARDS
UNITE
NEAR
GALACTIC
EPICENTERS

Sucklechimp 06.29.2010 03:06 PM

Too... many... small... penises...

noisereductions 06.29.2010 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
Too... many... small... penises...


THAT's the way to make friends! Keep at it!

ni'k 06.29.2010 03:07 PM

sombic

Sucklechimp 06.29.2010 03:10 PM

You two responded to my post in mere seconds.

Genteel Death 06.29.2010 03:18 PM

Welcome to this forum Sucklechimp. Don't mind the insults, it's only an internet forum. Some understand that better than others.

ni'k 06.29.2010 03:21 PM

yeah welcome sucklechimp, this is genital dreck, he will impress you with the analysis of the careers and pop culture relevance of aging or dead rock musicians.

Sucklechimp 06.29.2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Welcome to this forum Sucklechimp. Don't mind the insults, it's only an internet forum. Some understand that better than others.


I've been here for a couple of years but I never have seen these trolls. It's fascinating to watch people with ego issues scrabbling to climb a mountain of insignificance.

noisereductions 06.29.2010 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
I've been here for a couple of years but I never have seen these trolls. It's fascinating to watch people with ego issues scrabbling to climb a mountain of insignificance.


the reason a regular like yourself hasn't seen us is because me and n'ik are brand new forum members. We don't post very often either.

BTW, how do you scrabble to climb something? Is it sort of like jeapordying?

ni'k 06.29.2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
I've been here for a couple of years but I never have seen these trolls. It's fascinating to watch people with ego issues scrabbling to climb a mountain of insignificance.




LOOKS LIKE MY EGO JUST HAD A NEW ISSUE COME OUT...

AND THIS ISSUE IS A SPECIAL ON THE SUBJECT OF PAIN


 



 


Genteel Death 06.29.2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sucklechimp
I've been here for a couple of years but I never have seen these trolls. It's fascinating to watch people with ego issues scrabbling to climb a mountain of insignificance.

So you probably know about our customs already. A green brick is the currency we use to pay for a smile, unless you splashed out too much on a good day.


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