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kinn 12.08.2010 07:48 AM

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kinn 12.08.2010 07:58 AM

 


 


 


 

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:03 AM

KINN have you been following me around taking pictures of the scenery?

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:06 AM

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It's my neighbors!!!!! hahahahahhahhahahahahaaaaaaaaa

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
The songs he sang on the Melvins' "Crybaby" are fantastic. Sounds eerily like his grandfather.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ann ashtray again.

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by keep poppin pimples
i can't believe there's a country related thread on sy gossip


i thought we only talked about shitty genres from the 90s

luke the drifter is fucking great obvsly


IT is FUCKING GREAT:):):)
yall wait till i get the nassau news paper i'll post you some true neck shit. Deer kill of the week any one

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
;) senior is tops but III has done some cool shit. Can't post links right now. On the bberry. But long hauls and close calls is great. There r also some bootlegs floating round with him playing with the melvins, Dwayne dennison and I think he's still playing with assjacks. Goth hick shit.


Here yall go if yr interested. Some of this shit really is pretty cool. I went to see him live but had to leave before he played cuz we got too fucked up on xtacy:D
I like this one alot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjNiX6GVrc

the story of my life;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAiO0...eature=related

This one is one of my favorites it is very well done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRWpMw9SXc

One more (my brother frequents the mud bogs as weekend entertainment hahahhah)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU_gWnhRbC4&playnext=1&list=PL77CB010B2E29 47F2&index=38

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
C'mon, it's hardly that difficult to ignore kinn if you can't be bothered with it. He's a lot funnier than most people trying to be funny. And, more importantly, who doesn't associate country with rednecks and confederates? Hank was brilliant, but he's definitely a huge part of this 'old timey' America. Biographically it's fairly well-known that he was a bit of a womaniser, and there's definitely a hint that he may have been 'romantically involved' with a certain underage member of the Carter family who possibly went on to marry Johnny Cash. This doesn't take much away from his music, for me, but that's mostly because he is significantly better than the majority of proper cunts in country. Although, having said that, I do really like Toby Keith.


Womanizers exist everywhere. Fuck, JFK was a womanizer. And underage girls, really? This has absolutely nothing to do with the south or country music, as I can only imagine most stars of his stature ranging from his time up 'till the early 80's were involved w/ underage girls (seriously, there is no shortage of stories on this topic floating about). Some still get mixed up in this sort of thing, it's just much more difficult to get away with it these days in these days.

Led Zep fucked a girl with a shark, + Hank was fuckin' June Carter...hype, man. Speculation. Fun, yes...but not worth taking seriously and like you yourself this shouldn't take away from the music.

And no doubt, the guy is indeed still a part of "old timey" south. I say this because most newer fans of the genre seldom even seem to know who the guy is, and when they do 9 times out of 10 it's "my parents/grandparents listened to that", and it's left at just that. That said, even in Hanks death he has successfully managed to break barriers. Nick Cave is a huge fan, Steve Shelley is a fan, there was a compilation of Hank music released some years ago aimed at "alternative music fans", other post mortem compilations have been aimed at the fans who dig the "blusier" aspects of his music. Today, at least around here (the heart of what most not-in-the-know would consider "redneck country") most younger fans of his music come from a more punk rock background. Rockabilly kids, psychobilly (a term I absolutely hate) kids, punk rock kids are championing his music more than anyone else. Fucker was more of a rebel than any John Lennon, and I don't give a shit what anyone has to say about that, either. His music happened to be brutally honest, full of intense emotion (something lacking in most all today's mainstream country music)...ranging from the sad and lonesome tunes, to other more rockin'/fun shit. He was an artist, and the ignorant (like kinn) seem to want to water down this fact by posting pictures of an era of "redneck'' which has little-no-NOTHING to do with the world Hank grew up in as well as the world he's managed to have a massive impact on...an impact he himself in no way could have realized.

Almost never met a Hank fan I didn't like.

I've met tons of kinns I didn't like, though. They are a dime a fucking dozen. Smoking cigarettes and talking about shit they know nearly nothing about in mall parking lots + on online forums.

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:50 AM

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And no doubt, the guy is indeed still a part of "old timey" south. I say this because most newer fans of the genre seldom even seem to know who the guy is, and when they do 9 times out of 10 it's "my parents/grandparents listened to that", and it's left at just that. That said, even in Hanks death he has successfully managed to break barriers. Nick Cave is a huge fan, Steve Shelley is a fan, there was a compilation of Hank music released some years ago aimed at "alternative music fans", other post mortem compilations have been aimed at the fans who dig the "blusier" aspects of his music. Today, at least around here (the heart of what most not-in-the-know would consider "redneck country") most younger fans of his music come from a more punk rock background. Rockabilly kids, psychobilly (a term I absolutely hate) kids, punk rock kids are championing his music more than anyone else. Fucker was more of a rebel than any John Lennon, and I don't give a shit what anyone has to say about that, either. His music happened to be brutally honest, full of intense emotion (something lacking in most all today's mainstream country music)...ranging from the sad and lonesome tunes, to other more rockin'/fun shit. He was an artist, and the ignorant (like kinn) seem to want to water down this fact by posting pictures of an era of "redneck'' which has little-no-NOTHING to do with the world Hank grew up in as well as the world he's managed to have a massive impact on...an impact he himself in no way could have realized.
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The Hank III fans are of this nature. I went through a Hank III Hank Sr Johnny Cash obession for about a year. I was explorin my ol country roots. I would NEVER listen to any of that shit before, but here it is about our lives and it has expanded into the world of punk in a big way. I'm not sure if that is bad or not. Like I said before I went to see Hank III the group of fans was not what I expected. Not trying to be judgemental, but this is Jacksonville, Fl Most were uneducated trash gothed out wearin hank and cash shirts or stupid chicks decked out in june carter punkish outfits. Another reason why we did not stay, the vibe was dissapointing.

Hank SR was def an ol southern boy with all of the good and bad that comes along with it, but he sang and wrote his soul and has helped alot of us mixed up cuntry folk through some hard days. So i'm not gonna let that aspect detract from his music that I love and the memories it brings me. Fuck I have to love my white trash redneck family members all like 100 of them. You can only understand if you have grown up around (edit: in) this shit. I chose to not be like them, but they are still my blood and you cannot live without yr blood. I just find humor in it they are lovable chracters.

kinn 12.08.2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
blah blah blah
Almost never met a Hank fan I didn't like.

I've met tons of kinns I didn't like, though. They are a dime a fucking dozen. Smoking cigarettes and talking about shit they know nearly nothing about in mall parking lots + on online forums.


there's only one swa alright, and thats' punishment enough.

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 09:58 AM

will yall stop picking at each other

Derek 12.08.2010 10:22 AM

n'ik is pretty cool.

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 10:30 AM

he is

finding nobody 12.08.2010 10:54 AM

Cool thread! I truly realized how great he was when I was about 14. I got 40 greatest hits and that was enough to make me a fan forever..
There's some speculation that Hank Jr. is not really the son of Hank Sr. I believe his Mom changed his name.. Regardless, Jr. always got my nerves, but Sr. wrote great songs and great melodies.

demonrail666 12.08.2010 10:56 AM

I'm increasingly beginning to think of Sonic Gail in relation to scenes in carnivale.

kinn 12.08.2010 11:04 AM

 

SONIC GAIL 12.08.2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I'm increasingly beginning to think of Sonic Gail in relation to scenes in carnivale.



hahahahah

cool:D

SuperCreep 12.08.2010 01:31 PM

one of my favorite songs ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMCvC6h54CY

tesla69 12.08.2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
it's fairly well-known that he was a bit of a womaniser,.


and whats wrong with that?

Derek 12.08.2010 02:09 PM

Yeah, I look up to the womaniser as being something I'm too nerdy to be.

Genteel Death 12.08.2010 02:10 PM

If Robert Hampson of Loop/Main likes him, who am I to disagree? He's one of those people I meant to check out ever since I saw an album of Hank Williams covers by that guy from The The in some record shop many moons ago. I didn't pick it up because I'm not much of a fan of The The or the majority of records that consist entirely of covers, so your recommendations are welcome.

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
and whats wrong with that?


It's a southern/redneck thing. Doesn't matter though because Hank still wrote good tunes....

something like that?

I was confused as well.

Glice 12.08.2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
and whats wrong with that?


Well, I think we've already established that I'm a huge fan of Hank, so it doesn't bother me enormously. I was trying to point out that ni'k was pushing buttons which, rightly or wrongly, are there in the stereotype of country for good reason. The other side of that stereotype is the one that swa mentioned - 'first rock star' type bollocks. I personally tend not to care about a person's perception in the rock pantheon, but it's definitely there. The point with Hank, for me, is that he's got an astonishing economy as a writer and managed to write something like two bad songs (Fly trouble and Hey good lookin'), whereas most bands manage maybe 4 genuinely brilliant songs in their lifetime. Hank's over and above everyone else for me because unlike anyone else in the pantheon of all-time greats, there's a minimum of cack. I mean, Abba Gold is astonishing, certainly, but they still also wrote Hey Hey Helen.

Glice 12.08.2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
If Robert Hampson of Loop/Main likes him, who am I to disagree? He's one of those people I meant to check out ever since I saw an album of Hank Williams covers by that guy from The The in some record shop many moons ago. I didn't pick it up because I'm not much of a fan of The The or the majority of records that consist entirely of covers, so your recommendations are welcome.


You should be able to get one of those service station compilations for a couple of quid. Anywhere you dip your toes should be amazing. Maybe try a Luke the Drifter compilation, or there's a nice mix of stuff on Lost Highway if you want something specific.

Glice 12.08.2010 03:07 PM

I should mention that in principle there's everything wrong with womanisers and rock and roll is pretty disgusting in its valorisation of some horrendous people. Hank's by no means the worst in this but I don't think we should exonerate people just solely because their music's great. I tend to think the reason women don't get involved in rock is partly because the crowd buy into the 'rock myth' thing so as to exonerate themselves of being cunts. Y'know, ladies do unfortunately get raped a lot of the time in rock crowds, and the mythology surrounding it is partly to blame.

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I should mention that in principle there's everything wrong with womanisers and rock and roll is pretty disgusting in its valorisation of some horrendous people. Hank's by no means the worst in this but I don't think we should exonerate people just solely because their music's great. I tend to think the reason women don't get involved in rock is partly because the crowd buy into the 'rock myth' thing so as to exonerate themselves of being cunts. Y'know, ladies do unfortunately get raped a lot of the time in rock crowds, and the mythology surrounding it is partly to blame.


If this is the case, why did you even bring it up to begin with?

And ladies get raped in all crowds.

There are reasons as to why it seems to be (and possibly even is...) more common in the rock universe.

Glice 12.08.2010 03:23 PM

Sorry, can you actually read or are you just a complete fucktard?

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 03:25 PM

Sorry, I was actually responding to two of your above posts.

You say one thing really doesn't matter, because it doesn't take away from the fact that Hank was brilliant song writer...then still, you said it anyways.

And even more idiotic, you said it as if it's some common southern thing.

kinn 12.08.2010 03:32 PM

this is what he does now.

being contrarian for the sake of some psychotic insistence on his own stupid "opinion". he doesn't really have one, it's just some extreme individualism trip crap.

he will go on and on, he won't stop. it's not like it could ever be less redundant as everything else he says.

anyway. i'm just waiting for the next meltdown. know it can't be far off. the pressure has to be close to boiling at this point. he wants to save face with this "act like i can argue down everyone" crap. swagate 11(?lostcount) can't be far off.

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kinn
this is what he does now.

being contrarian for the sake of some psychotic insistence on his own stupid "opinion". he doesn't really have one, it's just some extreme individualism trip crap.

he will go on and on, he won't stop. it's not like it could ever be less redundant as everything else he says.

anyway. i'm just waiting for the next meltdown. know it can't be far off. the pressure has to be close to boiling at this point. he wants to save face with this "act like i can argue down everyone" crap. swagate 11(?lostcount) can't be far off.


Fuck off....please. Unless of course you have something valid to say.

kinn 12.08.2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kinn
this is what he does now.

being contrarian for the sake of some psychotic insistence on his own stupid "opinion". he doesn't really have one, it's just some extreme individualism trip crap.

he will go on and on, he won't stop. it's not like it could ever be less redundant as everything else he says.

anyway. i'm just waiting for the next meltdown. know it can't be far off. the pressure has to be close to boiling at this point. he wants to save face with this "act like i can argue down everyone" crap. swagate 11(?lostcount) can't be far off.



 

Glice 12.08.2010 03:41 PM

Right, well, we've got two sides of a coin here. Though ni'k isn't quite a fuckwit.

THE POINT I AM MAKING is necessarily contradictory; I am ASKING YOU THE INTERNET how you deal with these two opposing views present in one issue. The two views (to recapitulate) are: 1) "Hey, isn't Hank great? Sure heckity I likes me some Hank" and 2) "Boy howdy, it's a shame that musicians are sometimes shit, sure heckity ain't it?" and the OVERALL question isn't one of trying to reconcile the two points but how to negotiate the tension.

I'm sorry that you, ni'k, seem to misunderstand me. Swa can fuck off because he's a retard.

Edit: I may have mis-read ni'k's post.

kinn 12.08.2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Right, well, we've got two sides of a coin here. Though ni'k isn't quite a fuckwit.

THE POINT I AM MAKING is necessarily contradictory; I am ASKING YOU THE INTERNET how you deal with these two opposing views present in one issue. The two views (to recapitulate) are: 1) "Hey, isn't Hank great? Sure heckity I likes me some Hank" and 2) "Boy howdy, it's a shame that musicians are sometimes shit, sure heckity ain't it?" and the OVERALL question isn't one of trying to reconcile the two points but how to negotiate the tension.

I'm sorry that you, ni'k, seem to misunderstand me. Swa can fuck off because he's a retard.

Edit: I may have mis-read ni'k's post.



what?

you do get that my last post was referring solely to swa right?

ann ashtray 12.08.2010 03:44 PM

Both of y'all are fucking retarded.

Good job attempting to avoid the real question....

DeadDiscoDildo 12.08.2010 03:46 PM

Womanizer, sure.

At least he wasnt a Turtle-izer like kurdtzz

kinn 12.08.2010 03:46 PM

i have yet to see a thread you've made were there has been a "real question" anywhere but in your own head when you've started arguing with someone.

you've been carrying this stupid pretense since your last breakdown. it cannot save you from your own eternal embarrassment.

Glice 12.08.2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kinn
what?

you do get that my last post was referring solely to swa right?

Yep, sorry - see edit.

kinn 12.08.2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo
Womanizer, sure.

At least he wasnt a Turtle-izer like kurdtzz


its spelt "xurkrut cocobanelle"

Glice 12.08.2010 03:48 PM

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its spelt "krgystan cobalt"

fxdie

DeadDiscoDildo 12.08.2010 03:58 PM

 


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