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We worked really hard, you know? I'm not even getting paid to be this right.
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But you should maybe actually hear the whole thing before passing judgement on it like you're doing. I'm tired of people hearing several songs from something and making a collective opinion based on that when really most albums can only be assessed once you've experienced the whole thing in order. And this album works well as an album which is something I've not heard many reviews mention (possibly because their main mantra was, "Lou Reed and Metallica? BAHAHA!"). |
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I don't read gast30's threads because they just make my blood boil with their incoherence.
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I don't dislike his posts. I just think they're too much for me at any given time. I suppose there is space for everyone.
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His posts are okay when I take the time to figure out what he's actually saying but I'm too busy doing nothing to do this often.
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I suppose it's a question of where you're coming from. I don't imagine many dyed-in-the-wool Metallica fans are ever going to like Lulu. It's not really for them (not that metalheads can't/ don't listen to other things - I mean a specific, metal-centric perspective that's not interested in other things). I think Reed's singing is rough, but he's not in his 20s any more, and he's fucked himself up. He struggles to hold a note these days. But the inability to sing well doesn't mean he shouldn't. Everyone loved Cash's late records, and his voice is fucked there. But if you look at Lulu in a similar way to something like Jandek or David Tibet - two divisive voices if ever there were... - Reed isn't letting his physical limitations stopping him, he's actually using them - to emphasise the lyrics, to act with contrary melody to the (quite poppy) Metallica arrangements. I don't mean perverse in terms of the lyrics, by the by - I'm a long way from thinking that S/m lyrics are interesting in themselves. I mean in terms of a few contingent things - getting a very boorish metal band playing very boorish arrangements over some very feminist lyrics; having very flat, standard metal riffs coupled with outré arrangements; Having a man in his late-60s singing from the perspective of a pre-teen girl. That sort of thing. Regards what Derek said about actually listening to things - I think that's what I like about this record. A lot of the time a brief listen doesn't give you much more than an idea of some influences, a bit of how people structure things etc etc. What really surprised me about Lulu was how ugly it seemed from the outset. Making a record that's immediately repulsive, rather than just insipid (say, Mumford and Sons) is quite an achievement. It is an ugly record, but that's an important aesthetic, and one that's definitely pretty shocking in 2011. Regarding the 'SYG elect' comment - no-one here in the 'elect' (assuming you mean the top 20 or so posters) agrees with each other on anything. It's not a secret club, it's just a load of people talking shite. Some have talked more shite than others. I certainly don't agree with most people on most things, but I also don't care. It's a question of how you deal with disagreements, not a circle-jerk franchise. |
Some of the tracks that aren't that interesting work in the album's context which is something you're not going to pick up from previewing the songs. 'The View' is possibly the worst song on there but I could appreciate it a lot more after listening to it's preceding track which is supposed to set it up. I'm just tired of instant judgements people make which is possibly a catalyst from the internet age. I hated the Kanye West songs 'POWER' and 'Monster' but when I gave it's respective album a good listen it became one of my favourite hip hop albums of all time and even came to enjoy those songs a lot more than I did when it was stripped from it's context.
Granted, this isn't going to happen in all cases. But I think it's more if the artist is album-centric (which Metallica and almost definitely Lou Reed are). |
Derek being totally gangsta on this thread. Can't rep him.
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oh man i heard once the edgar allan poe "musical narrative" by lou read-- was it the raven i can't remember-- and it was awful in spite of the star-studded cast (i think steve buscemi read one part).
here i don't predict anything good but metallica sounds good in the background-- at least until the singer opens his mouth. metal bands should give up vocals completely, like pelican. |
Mattin's take on the album:
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You are right, I should listen the whole record. But if I listen all the records recommend here, I wonīt have time to do anything else (maybe even sleeping). But anyway I will listen LULU someday, but not very soon, because I donīt still believe I will like it (of course something like that has happened that I start to like record that at first has sounded very miserable). |
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To me it seems lyrics are more important to you than music. About "Syg Elect" always when there is more than one people doing something together begins some kind of society. And every society has hierachy, so it is also here in SYG. |
Apparently you've not paid much attention to the bollocks I've spouted on here over the years. I find lyrics to mostly be bad, which is one of the reasons I like (some) Reed. I tend to focus on music more, but that's a bit pointless in the case of a band like Metallica - they don't do a great deal that's formally complex. It's mostly uppy downy diatonic stuff, from what I've gathered (and I'm not interested in listening to anything to prove me wrong).
In this case, the lyrics are very good, which puts the whole album in a different light. It's not a question of other people finding it repulsive - that would be contrarianism - it's a question that Lulu is aesthetically quite jarring and awkward (which is a different sort of contingency). The hierarchy is entirely your perception. Just call everyone a cunt. Go on, it'll be funny. |
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Ah, the old amateur psychologist line. Always a winner, that one.
I was only twying to bee yowar fweeeend... Again, there is no inner-circle. There's a load of people who have too much time on their hands and/ or enjoy forumming. Come on, it's hardly like forums are a new phenomenon. Get with the system, man... |
There is an inner circle and it only contains me.
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Your ringpiece doesn't count as a clique dear. More an aspiration.
Hang on, you're 18 now, right? Ignore the above. |
how low could they go?
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There's no evidence in a court of love. Just love. And a smell you just can't place.
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Dear Glice,
Join our party. lots of love, queen witch knox |
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Agree with everything. Street Hassle is really good too, I think. |
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Slagged especially by people who haven't listened to it or only heard a 10 second snippet - but thats what passes for opinion these days. It probably did not need to be a double CD, however... I think Lou's wife told him to do this, she's a pop culture mastermind and knows this will keep in him in the public eye. And to anyone who says Lou hasn't done anything value since the 70's, if you haven't listened to his CD with his wife recorded at The STone then you don't know what you are talking about. |
They played White Light/White Heat on Jools Holland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQAv...layer_embedded It's so bad, Hetfield probably is the most comical man in music though |
it isn't that impressive but I don't think it deserves all the bashing it's been getting.
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yeah, i actually kind of liked the white light white heat thing, at least i like the way that lou reed sang on it.
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A perfect review of this thing some call an album:
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http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showrevie...=20224&lang=en |
"i am the table..."
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u know everyone talks shit on that line but is it really any worse than Ļiīm the cocker on the rock....Ļ |
nah...
it's just that hetfield had been taking himself far too seriously and it's nice to see that change.. it's not only about the message per se, but the delivery kills me each time i hear it.. |
This album brings back talking about characters, and Lou Reed is good at writing about characters. Imagine, in a world where almost everyone is so busy with talking about themselves, what it's like to observe and write about other people.
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13 years later, even more so |
The one Lou Reed album I don't have. And I have Lou stuff that even Laurie Anderson doesn't have. ;)
Metal is stupid. |
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what, like... a jar full of young lou's pubes? creepy... Quote:
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Jeff Bridges should have won an Oscar for that role, but the Academy doesn't give best actor/actress in a leading role Oscars for comedy, because the Academy is stupid. Like metal. |
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