Busy.And considering you know shit i'm just happy to call you twat for now.Happy ?

Met a "girl" called Lola and I took her back to my place
Feelin' guilty, feelin' scared, hidden cameras everywhere
Stop! hold on.

stay in control

Girl, I want you here with me
But I'm really not as cool as I'd like to be
'cause there's a red, under my bed
And there's a little yellow man in my head
And there's a true blue inside of me
That keeps stoppin' me, touchin' ya, watchin' ya, lovin' ya

Paranoia, the destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer.

Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda queer
Lola looked at me and said, "ooh you look so weird."
She said, "man, theres really something wrong with you.
One day youre gonna self-destruct."
You're up, you're down, I can't work you out
You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out.

Silly boy ya self-destroyer. silly boy ya self-destroyer

Silly boy you got so much to live for
So much to aim for, so much to try for
You blowing it all with paranoia
Youre so insecure you self-destroyer

(and it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(here it goes again)
Paranoia, the destroyer

Dr. dr. help me please, I know you'll understand
There's a time device inside of me, Im a self-destructin' man
There's a red, under my bed
And there's a little green man in my head
And he said, "you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
'cause there's a man in ya, knawin' ya, tearin' ya into two."

Silly boy ya self-destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
Destroy friends, destroy yourself
The time device of self-destruction
Light the fuse and start eruption

(yeah, it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(heres to paranoia)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(hey hey, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this)

Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this.)

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The desired effect is blunt fucking forced trauma to the bullshit balloon that you call your brain.

Atari is someone so intelligent that when he has nothing to answer he posts lyrics by The Kinks(of all twattish bands).Twat.

Busy my arse. With 9716 posts since March?... you must be picking your nose most of the time.
Oh, and you can call me whatever you like.

Quicker,that's what you mean.

Those lyrics are very apropos to the discussion and you feel the need to denounce them because it disturbs your denials.

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Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda queer
Lola looked at me and said, "ooh you look so weird."
She said, "man, theres really something wrong with you.
One day youre gonna self-destruct."
You're up, you're down, I can't work you out
You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out.

Silly boy ya self-destroyer. silly boy ya self-destroyer

Silly boy you got so much to live for
So much to aim for, so much to try for
You blowing it all with paranoia
Youre so insecure you self-destroyer

(and it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(here it goes again)
Paranoia, the destroyer

Dr. dr. help me please, I know you'll understand
There's a time device inside of me, I'm a self-destructin' man
There's a red, under my bed
And there's a little green man in my head
And he said, "you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
'cause theres a man in ya, knawin' ya, tearin' ya into two."

Atari you are in denial.A fair few never even finish to read the second sentence of any of your posts.Delusional is more an apt term for you.Nurse,atari is a sad man.

And tokolosh can only gather a little strength by association to he percieves as being stronger than himself.Psychology is my weapon,pair of twats.

Spring break!

Paranoia, the destroyaaaaaaaaaaaa!

He's a smart guy. We happen to have a similar view a lot of the time as a result.
No one is ganging up on you. Tokolosh is also a nice guy and considerate of others and their feelings. Earlier in the thread, he tried to pre-emptively reassure you that he in no way is ganging up on you to hopefully avoid going through all this same crap that we have to every time we communicate with you.

I don't agree with you entirely atari.
I have quite a few gay friends that are definitely not in denial.
They are happy with who they are and have never doubted themselves.
Most of them don't make it an issue and they couldn't care less what other people think.

Some people are more well-adjusted than others. This is a fact.
Some people have overcome genetic determinants and some people live in an environment that is more open and tolerant.

The purpose of the analogy I wrote earlier was to create an understanding that I was writing of something generally true, and provide a threshold of truth. How people end up within that threshold is entirely up to what they will. How people interpret the writings in my posts is, of course, colored by their own perception and the baggage that they bring to it. I too, have baggage. My filter is much more transparent than most people though and I have a deeper connection to my unconscious than most people. The reason is because I fear death perhaps a bit less than most people.

Life is a process. This is a fact we must never forget. The more we concentrate on this truth, the better people we are.

haha, see, it cuts both ways, T. Instant Karma just got you.

My advice:
Explain why you agree or disagree or why you think one way or another and stop being a bunch of vague scorekeepers. Have more consideration for others and elucidate further. Shut your typing yaps until you can actually read and intrepret with fair comprehension what has been written within the context of a thread.

You made a good point with your analogy of druggies that talk about drugs all the time, Nefeli.
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The desired effect is blunt fucking forced trauma to the bullshit balloon that you call your brain.

You're right. I shouldn't generalize Nefeli. There are gay people that don't make it an issue at all. My uncle's one of them, and he avoids gay men that constantly talk about how difficult or traumatic blah blah, it is to be gay.

This is what puzzles me about you.I do hope these well adjusted gay friends do exist and you haven't read about them(Oh yes i haven't got a problem with black people,i have a lot of friends who are black.......hmmm).This post seems in clear contrast with your other one earlier in this thread.Now,i have quite a few gay friends(and straight,and chinese,and limping creeps for that matter) and i certainly am aquainted with many others who don't feel much of a need for flying the gay/straight/whatever flag.For someone who uses other posters' posting tactics i ask you......what exactly are you trying to say?

His post can be easily explained. We all voice shards of a fragmented truth. We all live with denials and fears. We all struggle to refine our intentions of what we mean as a result.

Truth is its strictest philosophical sense is objective, but the only truth we know until we let go of our fears is always a subjective truth.

Since no one here, including myself, has let go of their fears, all messages will only be a shard of the fragmented truth.


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Mr. Golyadkin was petrified. "What sorcery is this, what
is happening to me?" he wondered. Meanwhile, the man
waited for Mr. Golyadkin to make up his mind; people
crowded round Mr. Golyadkin; he was already feeling in his
pocket for a silver rouble, to pay the full amount at once, to
avoid further trouble. "Well, if it was eleven, it was eleven,"
he thought, turning as red as a lobster. "Why, a man's
hungry, so he eats eleven pies; well, let him eat, and may it
do him good; and there's nothing to wonder at in that, and
there's nothing to laugh at . . . "

The "individual" members of the human race are all in denial to one degree or another concerning their eventual personal deaths. All denial and all fear springs forth from this source. The "devil" himself has his origins here.

If we remember that life is a process, reserve judgement, and regard our fellow human compassionately & lovingly, we can more clearly see the truth, and God.

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Feeling reconciled with mankind and his destiny, and
filled with love at the moment, not only for Olsufy
Ivanovitch, not only for the whole part collected there, but
even for his noxious twin (who seemed now to be by no
means noxious, and not even to be his twin at all, but a
person very agreeable in himself and in no way connected
with him), our hero, in a voice broken with sobs, tried to
express his feelings to Olsufy Ivanovitch, but was too much
overcome by all that he had gone through, and could not utter
a word; he could only, with an expressive gesture, point
meekly to his heart. . .

I thought that you had dropped the humor from your posts,atari.

It's not just my view, of course. It's the view of all the most intelligent people that have ever lived, so call off your dogs or continue to look like a fool.

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We all voice shards of a fragmented truth. We all live with denials and fears. We all struggle to refine our intentions of what we mean as a result.

Truth is its strictest philosophical sense is objective, but the only truth we know until we let go of our fears is always a subjective truth.

Since no one here, including myself, has let go of their fears, all messages will only be a shard of the fragmented truth.


The "individual" members of the human race are all in denial to one degree or another concerning their eventual personal deaths. All denial and all fear springs forth from this source. The "devil" himself has his origins here.

If we remember that life is a process, reserve judgement, and regard our fellow human compassionately & lovingly, we can more clearly see the truth, and God.

This is assuming that atheism only ranks idiots at its core wich would be an extremily misguided view to say the least.

1) The word "devil" is in quotations.
(Learn to understand better what it is you read before commenting.)
2) The God of the church is but a shard of the fragmented truth.
(Nobody owns a definitive explanation of God; the closest is Einstein.)
3) Athiests are in severe denial.
(Ironically, they consider themselves to be the most free.)


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A typical Christian (or any typical religious devotee) knows no more about God than an atheist.

In severe denial of what exactly?Who says that what you bang on about is 'The Truth'?Do you want that other injection or what?What are these semi-religious,seed of doubt-like patterns of thoughts of yours?

You people should read something other than the internet...like maybe more actual books.

I can't keep banging my head against this wall with a bunch of obstinate ne'er-do-wells.

Now you need to back up all this stuff atari.Where is it written or proved that these two statements are true?I have little patience with people who make statements that they can't prove to be tangibly true.Let's see what you can do there.Telephone quiet at the moment.

The "individual" members of the human race are all in denial to one degree or another concerning their eventual personal deaths. All denial and all fear springs forth from this source.

It's not just my view, of course. It's the view of all the most intelligent people that have ever lived, so call off your dogs or continue to look like a fool.

If one didn't live in denial of death with fear then they would ___________. (fill in the blank) They would actually BECOME who it is that they really are in POSSIBILITY.
Since we don't address our fears because it is too painful to do so, we live lives that are not our BECOMING. We are literally slaves to our fears.

You think you are growing impatient. That's a fucking hoot!

You need to read the right books and hang around with more people who are less prone to second anything that you come up with.

What I'm trying to say is, that I don't understand why people have to defend themselves or make an issue about being gay, black, short, fat, whatever. This isn't even about being gay. It's about the urgent need to prove a point, that has already been dealt with... at least in a lot of western progressive countries, that is.

You live in London, right? Do you feel that you have to watch your words and back as a gay man in London? I can't imagine that the average Londoner still has difficulties regarding this issue. It's a different story in other places though, and if gays there have to go out and protest, it would make sense and have it's purpose. You bring it up a lot on this forum, and to me, it says more about the way you feel personally, than the average Londoner does. You might have your reasons for that. I don't know.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're victimizing yourself when there's no reason too.
I'm not trying to attack you, by the way. I'm just asking questions, ok?

Still you've only come up with two more statements.If you want to be taken seriously,prove me wrong.

If one didn't live in denial of death with fear then they would ___________. (fill in the blank) They would actually BECOME who it is that they really are in POSSIBILITY.
Since we don't address our fears because it is too painful to do so, we live lives that are not our BECOMING. We are literally slaves to our fears that our conscious minds will not even allow us to address.

You think you are growing impatient. That's a fucking hoot!

Ever hear of obscure (haha) things like EXISTENTIALIST PHILOSOPHY or MODERN PSYCHOLOGY ???

By the way, if it helps to pique your interest, the first existentialist is Socrates, who was a gay man.

Right,go and check all my posts and bring back here all the ones where you find that i have been 'victimizing' myself.This is interesting as you still are making a statement but(like your buddy atari) have not sufficient or consistent proof of it.

You really should meet Porkmarras before you cast him as self-victimising. I have rarely come across people (of any sort) who are so comfortable with the person that they are. He is one of the most positive and least self-pitying people I have ever met.

Modern psychology i can take(to an extent)but existentialist phiilosophy has been proved often to be a load of cack or mental masturbation over a century ago,now.i'm afraid but i'm more a fan of crude realism atari.

You're a tosser to end all tossers.

Existentialist philosophy has only in the middle of the last century come to light as the most evolved philosophy that there is. It is the historical continuation of the philosophy of self-knowledge espoused by Socrates. Your statement is completely false and one that is simply made up because you have an axe to grind.

There are various forms of modern psychology, but the most accepted is Jungian psychology and that's what I mean.

You people should stop and read and get it all in context before you hone in on one word like sonicl just did to start a point of contention about...you'll find you have much more in common than you have differences.

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Read a book. Don't be Afraid. - Vanessa Briscoe of Pylon

You're funny and you don't know why
You're funny and you can't even cry
You're funny and you don't know why
You're funny and you don't even try

Cause your head's shaking cause your arms are shaking
And your feet are shaking cause the earth is shaking

You're hungry and you don't know why
You're hungry and you can't even cry
You're hungry and you don't know why
You're hungry and you don't even cry

You take a walk and you try to understand
Nothing can hurt you
Unless you want it to
There are no answers
Only reasons to be strong
You take a walk you take a walk
You take a walk and you try to understand

You're in love and you don't know why
You're in love and you can't even cry
You're in love and you don't know why
You're in love and you don't even try

- Vanessa Briscoe of Pylon

I'll take your word on that Sonicl. Why all the fuss about being gay then? I don't think that it's important for people on this forum to know what sex turns me on. It's irrelevent.

Still,you haven't answered my question atari.Fair play or no playing at all.

Erm....shoes anyone?

Ha! You're funny. Really!

Yeah, why all the hoopla, people?

You're gay.

So fucking what?

You people that go around mentioning your gayness every day, in many cases, multiple times a day, are like a bunch of hypocritical, disingenuous Christians that always say "Jesus" over and over to convince themselves that they believe something.

I guess gayness is your religion.

Guess what?

You're a human being first and gay second.

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"in the name of Jesus"..."in the name of Jesus"...

Wow you really told me something that:

1 - I don't know already
2 - I haven't been told already
3 - I'm not totally happy and comfortable with already

Christ,atari,you really are made of bricks!

You seem to describe yourself a lot and attribute those characteristics to me. You do this with others as well. It's a trick you learned that you somehow think always works.

It's not my fault if you are too obstinate in your perceptions to understand what I've already explained.