Do you mean the "On tour with the Neubauten" DVD ?

No, from what I've heard that's a bit of a waste of time and money. There's one coming soon called "Palast Der Republik", which is a live show from two years ago. See here: www.neubauten.org/en-dvd-announce.html

wow
Haven´t noticed that before
I was thinking about getting the "On tour with neubauten" dvd but 28 Euros is just to much for me and i also heard it´s not really worth the money.

Bought the "1/2 Mensch" DVD some time ago - now that is what i call
worth the money

This is just illogical to me. Of course they should mess with the formula. I hate bands that stick with the same formula (e.g. Oasis). I think thats why I like early SY cos u had SY EP, Sister, Evol, Whitey, DDN and all of them sounded VERY different. I recognise that the newer albums arent all the same, but they arent all that different either.

And I didnt want to get into this and turn this thread into a referendum on Kid A, but that album is DEFINITELY innovative. I remember the week it was coming out, every mainstream newspaper and mag was gearing up to make radiohead the next U2. Then the album came out and there was no chance of that. One of the most innovative records in modern times. I still listen to it.

Yeah but could you explain a little better and more clearly what innovative means to you?Also,i don't recall Radiohead being castigated all that much from the media for Kid A.Sure the got some stick for it but getting some stick from the mainstream media for something doesn't make an album innovative in the slightest.

a "suprising record" is different from an "innovative record". but as i said, i love kid-a too.

Holy crap i'm listening to Kid A right now.

ha ha, this thread has a double discussion in it. maybe we should start a(another?) kid-a-related one...

No, not a double discussion. There are three conversations going on here! I thought it would be a good idea to take my and A Thousand Thread's conversation about Einstuerzende Neubauten to the pm section though. And a jolly old chat we're having too!

Right,i forgot to mention your "personal" discussion ;) .
Ok, now i'll stop hijacking this thread at least till i'll have something interesting to add....apologies to the thread starter.

This forum is a dump these days.No interesting debate,nothing.How very sad.

Start a thread then, you sonoffabitch.

Kid A wasnt castigated by the press that much because if they would have done that they would have looked 'passed it', uncool, not able to 'understand' or 'get' the album, etc. There were a lot of people that didnt 'get it' that pretended to.

To reiterate: if SY come out with another guitar album Im gonna stop listening to their new stuff altogether.

I'm sure that will be duly noted by the band. Who will go on to record another guitar album anyway.

Are you Thom Yorke,then?You seem to know something that i don't,extraneous twit.

Yeah, thats right, im thom Yorke. I spend my time posting on SY message boards with whinny 14 year olds that DONT APPRECIATE NAS AND WANNA LISTEN TO THE SAME SY ALBUM 50 TIMES, WITH DIFFERENT COVERS AND CD SLIPS.

FUCKING NUMBNUTS!

Whinnying is what horses do, I think the word you're looking for is "whiny". And from what I can recall about the age demographic on this board, I don't think you'll find any 14 year olds posting here.

Exactly.I'm rather outraged at being thought of as a 14 year old because i'm 12 and happy with it.

I wonder why sonicl never bashed my english grammar...i fear his rage! Now i pay attention to commas, caps and stuff. You made me a better man. For real!

Sonic Youth hasn't put out the same record ever. They've been consistently getting shittier. I don't think you understand that Sonic Youth is a guitar noise rock band. Piss off, drunk.

Whatever

I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this one, but after having heard some of the SYR stuff I think that the real "problem" is that it's allowed them to polarize themselves...

Okay, think of it like this, artists often engage in solo projects becuz they want to express themselves in ways that wouldn't suit their "main" band...with the SYR series, SY basically have become their own side project, putting out noisy, experimental discs for the SYRs and keeping more mainstream-friendly music for their major label releases...

I'll post more later becuz I'm out of break time..

Why would you get your ass kicked for writing a shitty post with no point for anyone to even get pissed about?

As far as I can see SY are a band that have changed very little musically over their career. There have been no head-scratching changes of musical direction, no country/electro/p-funk albums. Some have been softer, some heavier, some poppier, some more abrasive but essentially the same shtick.

But for me that's not really a problem. I love the way they sound, I love how they play their guitars and how they sing. That's not to say I'm against them trying something new, just that as long as the songs are good and they dont sound contrived or bored I'll be happy.

So, CSI/KYI and Rather Ripped are the same shtick?

Moron.

I always thought I'd like to hear an acapella sy album with lots of awesome lip buzzing and beat boxing.

Those are the extremes, but I wouldn't say they're as far from each other as you'd think.
Have a listen to the albums from Bad Moon Rising on and you'll probably find more constants than differences.

I swear, this board is so much worse because of Haydenasche. He just spews this hate in virtually everypost. get lost loser.

Back to the subject: thats a v good point Genetic. I never thought of it like that before. Maybe i should give more SYR releases more listening time, maybe id find some more experimental SY there.

My seniority over you is overwhelming, dear. Don't tell me to get lost. I can do as I please.

But, getting back to the topic. I agree more than anyone that Sonic Youth is stale. Rather Ripped was a TERRIBLE album. I don't think they should even attempt not being stale, though. It might suck too bad.

This is an example of something useless being said today around the world.There are 1 trillion useless things said every minute from Canada to Mongolia and this is one of them.If you stare at the post above for more than five seconds it might give you a migraine and you'll probably have to take some painkillers to alleviate the pain and the discomfort.Don't tell me that i didn't warn you.

That's because it's directed by the awesome dude Sogo Ishii. I haven't seen it but I really want to.

What I really mean is that now that the band has another avenue to express themselves, they can put all the experimental, noisy stuff on the SYRs, while putting the more mellow, mainstream stuff on the Geffen releases, to keep the label happy. You might remember that Geffen once sued Neil Young for not sounding enough like Neil Young, and tried to kick Carlos Santana out of Santana. I don't know that SY are a huge cash cow for Geffen, but if SY suddenly became "noncommerical" in their eyes, they might get a little pissed.

So what I was basically saying is that the balance between melody and noise and innovation was lost when Sonic Youth realized the freedom they have not needing to satisfy "commerical demand"...they get their experimenting out on the SYRs, while largely sticking to formula on the major releases, and that I think the band's major releases would be more interesting if they didn't have the SYRs.

This is an example of something useless being said about something useless. In more words than are necessary.

RR was a good album, best since Murray. Incinerate is one of the best SY songs. Pink steam and reena are v good too.

exactly.

ted_kennedy, start to explore band memebers solo projects. so much different stuff compare sy's proper albums.

this is a laughable concept at best i mean have you ever heard of the group Kraftwerk? they'd hardly be innovative if they went this route...as such this idea is a failure.

i can't disagree with you on this because i sorta feel the same way. i mean there is a definite difference on how the band conveys itself musically in 2006 versus say 1985, bad moon rising arguably is their most experimentally challenging album using collages of tape sounds within their "rock" format... it be a stretch to see them release another record as their main effort along those lines again.

back when they got their gear stolen i wondered if they would revert to the bad moon era practise of using the tapes on stage between songs in order to retune the guitars. i don't think they had so many guitars back then, so they had to retune between songs. might have lead to more interesting stuff. yeah, i think the combination of SYRs and gear theft marked a change in the band. not necessarily good or bad, just different. also, i don't mind if they mellow out a bit with age. it happens. deal with it. let the young dudes act like young dudes. they will follow whatever path they want, and i doubt it will be a re-enactment of their early days, or driven by marketing, etc...

couldnt have put it better myself sway. sy have had and still do have 100% control of their output. they play and record what they feel like and ok so what, rather ripped isnt the greatest sy album ever, and even we are getting complaints (we as in the sy community here on the bbs) about the destroyed room. it seems to me that if sy decided to go right back and play and record shit like confusion and bad moon again people will accuse them of "clinging on to their past" and tell them to "grow up and mature and act their age".

its getting boring this sy fans bashing sy. they have been going for a quarter of a century now, they have released umpteen records, hundreds if you count their solo and side shit. they embrace a wealth of diverse styles and genres. their music evolves more and more and grows like them. it seems sy have simply outgrown most of their fanbase who still wish dearly for sy to bring out another daydream or another evol.... well IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN! quit living in the past fuckers because sooner rather than later sy will end and what will you complain about........

whinge whinge whinge whinge

Amen. Repped.

2-1 rep back at you

I swear, half of this board don't even like Sonic Youth, and instead are in the middle of some sort of cyber-space performance art, seeing how much bollocks they can spout out from under the guise of a fan before they are called on said bollocks. It's sweet, in a way, that they put so much time and energy into a band they dislike so much. Dedicated to their art.