I am not speaking this way because of gender; I speak this way because I see both of these musicians as "guitar as sound source" players rather than "guitarists."

I have seen Christina do one set that was very good.

jimi hendrix was my first guitar hero and is still #1
some others...
john fahey
sonny sharrock
dude from the sun city girls whose name i always confuse with his brothers, but whose last name is most certainly bishop
rudolph grey (blue humans)
kawabata makoto (acid mothers temple)
tony iommi (black saabbbbath)
thurston mooore
blind willie johnson
elizabeth cotton
d boon (minutemen)

are steve vai, yngweieieieiei malmmomomstine, eric johnson etc actually real musicians? i mean does anybody really listen to their music. i always assumed they were just inventions of the guitar industry to help sell overpriced "signature series" crap. kind of like everyone's favorite homeshopping network star, esteban, only slightly more ridiculous.

Sir Richard Bishop.
He is incredible.
Malmsteen and Vai are what I like to call "guitar teacher/guitar magazine" musicians.
No one else cares.

elisa is no better guitarist than jewel or sheryl crow. just different genres

vai and malmsteen are boring and just in it for the glory, for them it's like a race or a competition, not about music. i read an interview with vai once that said something like if you want to play simple music with meaning and taste then you are a half assed comformist who doesn't deserve to be called a guitar player.

there are more tasteful shredders-like guitarists

Just because Elisa uses a guitar doesn't make her a "guitarist," and I mean that as no slam on her music. It is a sound source at that point; the fact that the object is technically a guitar is immaterial.
That's all I was trying to say; I really didn't mean to come off as a jerk, and apologies if I did.

Thurston and Lee
Sonic Boom and Jason spaceman(spacemen 3)
Taka and Yoda(mono)
keiji haino
Kevin Shields(MBV)
Sonny Sharrock
Takeshi Mizutani(Les Rallizes Denudes)
Brij Bhushan Kabra
John Fahey
Robbie Basho(a seriously underrated guitar player)
Vini Riely(another very underrated guitar player)

Nice Mizutani avatar!

I would put him on my list of faves too.
Basho was a great guitarist; I have a tough time with his voice though.
I also love:
Rinji Fukuoka
Paul Metzger
Sandy Bull
Bert Jansch
Munehiro Narita
Randy Holden

thanks, I am really obsessed with Les Rallizes Denudes right now.
Yeah, everybody seems to have that problem with Basho's voice.

Nice womb avatar, by the way!

Thurston Moore and William Reid (JAMC).

Jim Martin of Faith No More

Is that guy in any bands now?

Keith Rowe
Derek Bailey
Asa Osbourne
Tom Morello
Jimmy Page
John & Michael Gibbons

I don't see what is so great about Derek Bailey.. I just don't..

i really don't know but i love it!!

i heard he was a pumpkin farmer. take it for what its worth

Malmsteen, Yngwie is a beyond talented guitarist. If you appreciate music on a strictly technical level, you must appreciate him. The music is still shit, but I enjoy it on that level, and that level alone.

Props to whoever mentioned chappy from Les Rallizes Denudes. Who are excellent. It's all effects over talent, but there's nothing wrong with that.

Yngwie midi files for the ultimate experience:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip...221/index.html


Les Rallizes Denudes have talent. The word "talent" really has nothing to do (in my mind at least) with "technical proficiency," which is what you are talking about. Rallizes make killer music and they pushed the envelope far and wide and are as influentail as the Velvet Underground when it comes to Japanese psych, so to say they have "no talent" is inaccurate. They are talented because they make good music. I would also argue that they have less technical ability than average, but that's nitpicking since we are obviously both big fans.

Yngwie drives me nuts.

there are lots of people i could name, but keiji haino really is my absolute favourite.

kevin shields
lee ranaldo
bernard butler
joey santiago
aaron north

hes like no one else.

johnny lee hooker is up there. not necesarily his stuff with a band but if you ever pick up the live album "alone" by him, he is spectacular.

this makes me think about masturbation porn. if there's this guy who jerk's off blindingly fast on tape, would you consider him a pornstar or a freak?

Kristin Hersh
Juliana Hatfield
Thurston Moore
Lee Ranaldo
PJ Harvey
Kurt Cobain
Noe Venable

i was really sick and sleepy when i posted this list and i couldn't remember most of the people's names but i'm better and, therefore, the list will be edited so it doesn't seem so ignorant on my part:

masaki batoh of ghost
munehiro narita of high rise and mainliner
joni mitchell
billy zoom of x
east bay ray of the dead kennedys
stig from amebix
max cavalera and andreas kisser of sepultura
mike bruce and glenn buxton of alice cooper band
dave brock of hawkwind
justin trosper of unwound
scott kelly and steve von till of neurosis
aaron turner and mike gallagher of isis
roger mcguinn of the byrds
stephen brodsky and adam mcgrath of cave in
paris mitchell mayhew of cro-mags
tommy victor of prong
page hamilton of helmet
mary timony
isaac brock of modest mouse

and i can't believe no one has mentioned:

sm and spiral stairs of pavement

VERY good call. I love High Rise.

And on a totally different tack, Loren Connors.

Off the top of my head, Thurston, Lee, Lou Reed, John Frusciante, Kevin Shields, and George Harrison.

Well, I don't know about gay porn, but a short review of porn involving females will find that there are an awful lot of solo women masturbating, and a lot of them are somewhat alluring. Meh.

Yar. I was drunk. I shouldn't post things like that whenst drunk. You're entirely right and you can have some props.

I don't know anything about guitars or playing them so I'm not exactly entitled or qualified to aswer this question, but I've noticed that taste kind of goes hand in hand with your own or techincal skills and musical background, which is pretty evident I suppose...
I have a friend who's a fan of dream theater, which I after a couple hours of forced listening grew to dislike enourmously, and he's very trained guitarist, hence he digs something just for the technical side of it, although he openly admits it and in his case he's also able to enjoy less technical things too.
To me very technical playing sounds often untiresting and even annoying (if it means fast playing only for the sake of speed).
I can "relate" to artists like Haino and magik markers and the likes better. I dig the sound, not the playing and I don't care about the way the sound is produced.

Well, Haino is a for real guitar virtuoso who uses his skills and stamina to push the instrument forward. He can play circles around MM.
The difference between Haino and someone like Steve Vai is that Haino has taste and is interested in music over a flashy display.

I concur entirely with the above. It's maybe not that easy to tell from his records, but Haino can seriously play the shit out of any guitarist. I mean, if you watch the Fushitsusha live DVD, there's about 2 bars where he plays the unbelievably fast run from top to bottom in a major scale that Vai and the like would murder for, and then he goes back to playing the more expected avant-jazz/rock fragmentary wonder. And live it's just... I can think of no one with a style that is so entirely his own (even Bailey has his imitators - I should know, I do a fair impression).

Graham Coxon is great.

Tom Verlaine / Richard Lloyd
Tim Buckley / Lee Underwood
Nick Drake
Neil Young
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
Ron Asheton
Robert Smith
Johnny Marr
Jeff Buckley
Markus Acher (from The Notwist)
Laura Veirs
Thom Yorke / Jonny Greenwood

Rudolf Schenker from german rockers The Scorpions

edit: sorry. the guy who shot this photo asked me to unlink it.

-ch

Damn, I forgot to add Lou Reed on my list. Velvet Underground are beyond amazing. I'm getting a limited edition VU record very shortly too :)

ron asheton
john mclaughlin
sonny sharrock
robert fripp
jimi
greg ginn

John Frusciante kick ass

I've got a thing for Dan Auerbach lately. I lurv dirty guitar.