no. im against downloading

Why? Downloading the albums is actually closer in vein to the REAL spirit of Black Flag, rather than giving some retailer $20 that will be divided 46 ways and, oh yeah, "be sure" to pass on 13 cents to the "artist."

yeah, but i suck in torrents. and fuck no i dont care about the REAL spirit of black flag

I can't figure that torrent stuff out either. But at least it's good to hear that someone on here might not be stuck on some music that happened MORE THAN 20 YEARS ago. I'm just jaded because here NYC, I have to sit at bars with 40 year olds with fading tattoos of black bars and UPC codes go on and on about how great the city was back in the early 80s. Same thing with old school punk, that shit is 30 years old! I love it all, but seriously, move on, people!

downloading is a crime against bad-assness

Black Flag had a spirit? You think Greg Ginn wouldn't take a punk bitch out into the alley and smack his face in for stealing his SST recordings?

the creative side of the music business is art. the other side is business. the two co-exist. shows do not get put on without a promoter, advertising, a place to play, etc. records do not get put out without someone to do it. lots of people put their own stuff out, which makes them their own management, production, distribution, etc. either way, they are putting out a product, and if you like a product ebnough you will save your allowance, get a job, sell something, whatever, to purchase said product.

file sharing is cool. downloading is a great tool to find new acts, but no band/label/promoter/distributor has ever made any money off of file sharing.

there is a reason that Jeff Pinkus started alternative tentacles, and that greg ginn started SST and that McKay started dischord, etc., and it was NOT to give their music away for free.

multiply that THIRTEEN CENTS by a hundred thousand albums and you are taking away thirteen THOUSAND dollars away from an artist. enough to help build their own studio, help finance a small tour, help record a new album, help buy new equipment, etc.

Yr apparently here to start dumb fights involving yr elitist views on music and spell badly.

I fully agree.
that is why I copy stuff I have bought and share it with people, like I send Shentov CDR's of music he cannot get in Bulgaria. it is a fine line but I prefer to share with people one on one, rather than just stick something I bought on a server so anyone and their mother can download it, and use it for whatever they want, which can include bootlegging.

I have always liked your blog dude.

now don't tell me you don't like unsane, especially the early charlie ondras on drums shit!

I know I'm late in the game on this , but I think Pookie has a good grasp on what these things were like at the time.
swa(y), you were in diapers while this movement was in full swing, and I think I would trust the critique of someone like Pookie, who was there and buying the stuff and seeing the shows at the time than I would your "overview" of this stuff.
Seriously.

I think putting In God We Trust as a hardcore LP is correct, and also it is correct that it is the only DK record that could be classified as hardcore.
I would say that the Misfits made only one hardcore record as well (Earth AD), and it was probably their weakest album.

don't be talkin shit about EARTH AD boyyy!!!!!!

There was a fucking shit-ton of LA hardcore in the early 80s.
Not to mention the UK!
If you "know your history" so well, you'd think you would know that much.
Yeesh!
I wouldn't call the Dead Kennedys hardcore, but In God We Trust IS a hardcore album to my ears. Just like DOA had Bloodied But Unbowed, which was definitely hardcore though the rest of their stuff isn't. And yes, they are good musicians, which doesn't exclude them from making hardcore. It just makes it easier for them.


And I like Earth AD (hardcore), but not as much as the rest of their albums (not hardcore).

Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand?

Your grasp of the whole issue is so slight it's not even worth arguing with.

You have that completely back to front.

So they belonged this this hardcore 'scene' you're talking about?

Can you imagine Meat Puppets belonging to any scene?

Potty mouth.

I'm gonna pull a khchris here and simply trust my own memories rather than those of someone who is too young to have experienced this at the time.


As for hardcore being a "movement" more than a sound, I laugh and laugh. This is one of the most strictly definable genres of music that has ever existed, and it has been from day one. Black Metal even has wider parameters, and that's saying something.


This statement would be true if we were talking about the early Industrial movement, but hardcore?

My head is spinning right now.

If GBH and The Exploited (to name just two obvious ones) aren't hardcore I don't know what is.

Mr potato head,i'm sure you are a nice guy and all that but you're also a contrary naysayer of the first order.I prescribe a journey in time or to put it more abruptly an old fashioned:'Fuck Right Off!'.

Yours
The Future

Thanks for the education, Mr. Zygote.

Show me where I said this?

Now who's talking like they were there when they weren't?

I think Pookie and I, having lived through this time as young people in the thick of it, have just as much if not more insight to offer on this stuff, but your desire to talk about this like it's some kind of college course that can be passed or failed is counterproductive and it isn't even fun to argue about.

I'm sorry I said anything now.

I was 'there' inasmuch as I was around at the time, buying the records, reading the interviews, going to see the bands.

And I think there is room for differences of opinion, I will have different memories and a different understanding than another person who was 'there' at the time.

I think the problem with your views is that they are so contradictory and plain wrong.

I must admit to getting a certain amount of peverse pleasure from ripping somebody's arguments to shreds.

I'll stop now, I've had my fun.

At the time, I thought Minor Threat were super lame, actually.
Still do.

I was just being flip; I realize now that it probably came off as more combative than playful.
I am American, by the way.

PHD in hardcore, I see. Pookie, it might not be best to fuck (should it be spelled "fuk" for maximum effect?) with this bro, he's got knowledge.

It doesn't matter where Pookie was at the time it was happening, bands do tour, jack-ass, and him actually being alive at the time when it was going on gives him alot more credibilty than some opinionated, self-loving twat on the internet talking about what he didn't do as if it's something he has done. Shut up, you sound like a moron.

The only person i befriended in my life who is a Minor Threat fan went on to join the army.Enough said.Such harsh points of view reflected really badly on the music.

That's "shreds," and I beg to differ. He has succesfully made you look like a bigger fool than you yrself have.

Is that a euphemism?

Does the Pole mind?

Well, seeing as "yrself" is an intentional spelling, it's not an error. Plus, you just tried to talk about my spelling, and just said "pole."

The POLL'S are for a sonic gossip yearbook, which is for a laugh and for fun, which is obviously something you are not familiar with the concept of.

hahahaha

Fillin' out some pole.

What's my favourite? I hear you ask.

MDC is mine. They never made an album as great as Millions Of Dead Cops again, but it's short, sweet, funny and furious.

About 20 minutes long and not a second wasted.

Wait... did you just call me "cheese-fuck?!" I hope that's not trying to offend or anything...

That is no ones fault but yr own.