Retarded list.

John Zorn crack the top 50 with NAKED CITY???

I loved it, but refuse to put that one up there. No way can an album of mostly covers be so way up there. Not sure what Pitchfork were thinking.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Didn't Pitchfork give NYG&F a 1 out of 10??

I have to keep this in mind while the subject of Pitchfork Media comes up.

Two albums' placement that I would disagree vehemently with:

Appetite for Destruction at 59 - one must admit, objectively one of the greatest albums of all time
Computer World at 44 - deserved to up a few notches higher; where, I haven't decided yet, it's early


A few of the rest are debatable to a degree. I concur with T&B - two Pixies in the top ten? Pffft.

I hate Leonard Cohen. HATE him. Just had to share that.

-For me to poop on.

I like you; don't make me hurt you.

I don't want to stroke Axl's cock or anything either, but you have to admit, that album in its entirety is so flawlessly done, whether you like GnR or not, you have to give them their props.

I hated it then and I hate it still.
It always mystified me that so many basically cool people liked this idiot-mullet L.A. crap rock.
I'm sorry; I like a lot of "stupid" rock music, but this stuff is just too far over the edge into spandex town.
I will cut you some slack because you were in diaper school when this LP came out; I remember it as a teenager, and I remember hating it. A lot.

There are a lot of "flawlessly done" albums with crappy songs, derivative playing and unlistenable vocals. It doesn't make them any better.

LOL!

Yeah, if you were in highschool and spent your lonely Saturday nights watching Headbangers Ball!

That's just it, I don't like GnR. It's only my opinion, but in spite of disliking them, I think that for their 'genre' (I'm really growing to hate that term), they made an exceptional album.

That was part of their appeal as well - their complete absurdity. You're right, they were over the top, but they knew it, and played it up for all it was worth.

They were "over the top" for radio rock, but when you consider what Metallica and Slayer were doing, they still come off as pansies who didn't "push" much of anything. Bar rock.

[quote=Savage Clone]I hated it then and I hate it still.
It always mystified me that so many basically cool people liked this idiot-mullet L.A. crap rock.
I'm sorry; I like a lot of "stupid" rock music, but this stuff is just too far over the edge into spandex town.
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The album has such an intensity about it. You could tell they were pissed off about something. To compare it to all the 80's crap in L.A is foolish. Guns and Roses like Motley Crue and Cinderella? No. Lyrically and musically they're different they just so happened to be from L.A in the 80s.

It has that L.A. rock guitar sound and tone.
It appeals in many ways to the lowest common denominator.
Lyrically, they are EASILY as stupid as anything else on 80s rock radio was at the time.
I'm sorry, but I hated this stuff back then and I still cannot stand it. The fact that Axl sported a Manson t shirt and listened to a little bit of punk doesn't make their music any better to me.

Erasure are missing as well. Tsk tsk poll making people.

By "over the top," I don't mean hardcore or innovative - I mean theatrical and, to an extent, absurd. They were almost a grunged-up version of glam rock.

It's almost like Madonna's Immaculate Collection (though she was much more innovative than GnR) - I'm personally not a fan of Madonna, and sure, it was mainstream, fluffy pop, and a significant portion of its appeal lay in image, but in its entirety, that album was still undeniably well done for its genre.

but it's a thoroughly heinous genre, and even when done well it's still god awful. i mean, what's the difference between GnR & bon jovi?

and as for erasure...

Well sure it is, but this is where objectivity comes in. I could wipe my ass with a Thomas Kincade painting, but I also can't deny the guy's got skill.

that line of approach is going to end up in malmsteen territory, and nobody needs to go there

What is with all the Bowie and Prince hate? They are geniouses. Purple Rain was a great album. Scary Monsters wasn't an amazing Bowie album, but still a pretty damn good one. Maybe if he stayed with Eno it would have been better and that godawful song Ashes to Ashes wouldn't be on it.

Pitchfork's list of best bands from the 70's is worse. Including Low, Aladdin Sane, Ziggy Stardust, and Hunky Dory in their top 100, but leaving out Bowies best 3 albums ever- Diamond Dogs, Station to Station, and Lodger. Fricking morons there Pitchfork people are.

And as for Erasure what? They produced some of the best gay anthems of the 80's. Fuck Frankie, these guys were the real deal. And they were there with the first wave of house. And they produced electronica as a side-line that stands next to Coil and the like whilst still maintaining a hegemony over decent gay pop in the charts.

Ahem. I enjoy Malmsteen, but would never say he was good. I have a wilful perversity which allows me to enjoy the very worst indulgences. It's ok, God has forgiven me, and you should too.

well i always think that people pull out that "gay pop" arguement as some kind of PC validation for liking pure cheese, i don't give a damn whether they fucked men or women. and as for the house thing i'd much rather listen to cybotron or mr fingers than erasure and the petshop boys, or new order for that matter.

For giving voice to gay consciousness in the 80s, Bronksi Beat had it all over Erasure anyway.

It's unfortunate that my eyesight is going. I almost, for a moment there, thought I'd read Toilet & Bowels slagging New Order. But, well, that's simply ludicrous. I should really get a check-up.

Next time you go in for your regular shots.

Ah come on, now you're just being mean. What did I ever do to you?

Wow.
I guess now I know how far is too far!

Oh, don't be a pussy. I know you can do better than that anyway.

it should have all the other members of joy division and not ian curtis who offed themselves.

My eyes! My eyes!

wow, i can't believe someone here compared guns n' roses with bon jovi!!

that's like comparing the new york dolls with donny osmond

I have to admit that I love Guns N' Roses even though Axl is a piece of shit. Slash's one lead guitar part in Estranged never fails to send shivers up my spine.

here's a few i saved in a text document

AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)
Laurie Anderson - United States I-IV
Laurie Anderson - Big Science
Laurie Anderson - Mr. Heartbreak
Laurie Anderson - Home of the Brave soundtrack
Arcadia - So Red The Rose
B-52s - Wild Planet
B-52s - Cosmic Thing
Bad Brains - Bad Brains
Bad Brains - I Against I
Big Black - Songs about Fucking
The Birthday Party - Junkyard
Black Flag - Damaged
Black Flag - My War
Black Flag - Live 1984
Blondie - Parallel Lines
Blondie - Eat To the Beat
Blondie - Autoamerican
Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Jeff Beck - Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop
Boredoms - Soul Discharge
Boredoms - Onanie Bomb Meets the Sex Pistols
Boredoms - Boretronix 1
Boredoms - Boretronix 2
David Bowie - Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps)
David Bowie - Let's Dance
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Glenn Branca - Symphony No.1 Tonal Plexus
Glenn Branca - Symphony No. 2 The Peak of Sacred
Glenn Branca - Symphony No. 6 Devil Choirs At The Gates Of Heaven
Peter Brötzmann & Bill Laswell - Low Life
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
Butthole Surfers - Psychic, Poweless, Another Man's Sac...
Butthole Surfers - Widowermaker ep
Butthole Surfers - Locust Abortion Technician
David Byrne & Brain Eno - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
The Cars (80s) - Shake It Up (best is the '70s debut & Candy-O)
The Cars - Heartbeat City
Camper Van Beethoven - Camper Van Beethoven
Camper Van Beethoven - II & III
Camper Van Beethoven - Telephone Free Landslide Victory
Camper Van Beethoven - Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart
Camper Van Beethoven - Vampire Can Mating Oven
Rhys Chatham - Minerva
Ciccone Youth - The Whitey Album
Eric Clapton - Journeyman
Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Session
Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
The Cure - Pornography
The Cure - Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
The Cure - Disintegration
Devo - Freedom of Choice
Devo - New Traditionalists
Devo - Oh No! It's Devo
Dinosaur Jr. - Dinosaur
Dinosaur Jr. - Bug
Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me
Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms
Duran Duran - Duran Duran
Duran Duran - Rio
Duran Duran - Seven and the Ragged Tiger
Duran Duran - all the 7" & 12"s
Bob Dylan - Infidels
Bob Dylan - Oh Mercy
Echo & The Bunnymen - Songs To Learn & Sing
Einsturzende Neubauten - Strategies Against Architecture
Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
The Fall - Perverted by Language
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour
Fishbone - Truth & Soul
Flipper - Generic Flipper
Foetus - Hole
Foetus - Nail
Fugazi -Margin Walker
Peter Gabriel - Music for The Last Temptation of Christ soundtrack
Galaxie 500 - On Fire
Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Gang of Four - Songs of the Free
The Golden Palominos - Visions of Excess
The Golden Palominos - Blast of Silence
Guns 'N Roses - Appetite for Destruction
Hall & Oates - Private Eyes
Herbie Hancock - Future Shock
Hindu Love Gods - Hindu Love Gods
Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians - Globe of Frogs
Hugo Largo - Drum
Hüsker Dü - New Day Rising
Hüsker Dü - Zen Arcade
Billy Idol - Billy Idol
Billy Idol - Don't Stop ep
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
INXS - The Swing
INXS - Shaboo Shoobah
INXS - Listen Like Thieves
INXS - Kick
Jane's Addiction - Jane's Addiction
Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
The Jesus Lizard - Pure
The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy
The Jesus & Mary Chain - Barbed Wire Kisses comp.
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts - I Love Rock N' Roll
Joy Division - Closer
King Crimson - Discipline
the Kinks - Give the People What They Want
the Kinks - State of Confusion
the Kinks - Word of Mouth
Kraftwerk - Computer World
John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Milk and Honey
John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Double Fantasy
Lone Justice - Lone Justice
Lone Justice - Shelter
Lydia Lunch & Roland S. Howard - Some Velvet Morning 12"
Madonna - Madonna
Madonna - Like A Prayer
Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun
Meat Puppets - II
John Cougar Mellencamp - Scarecrow
Megadeth - Killing Is My Business...
Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Megadeth - So Far, So Good... So What !
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Metallica - Garage Days Re-Visited
Metallica - And Justice For All
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
Mission of Burma - Signals, Calls & Marches
Mission of Burma - Vs.
Mötley Crüe - Too Fast for Love
Mudhoney - Boiled Beef and Rotting Teeth
Mudhoney - Mudhoney
Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff (orig. release '89)
My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
Negativland - Negativland
Negativland - Escape From Noise
New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies
Nirvana - Bleach (in the top 20)
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
The Ordinaires - The Ordinaires
Ozzy Osbourne - Diary of a Madman
The Power Station - The Power Station
Prince & the Revolution - 1999
Prince & the Revolution - Purple Rain
Prince & the Revolution - Sign o' The Times
Prince & the Revolution - Around the World in a Day
The Police - Ghost in the Machine
The Police - Zenyatta Mondatta
The Police - Synchronicity (less so)
PiL - Second Edition
PiL - Happy?
PiL - Album
Pixies - Come on Pilgrim ep
Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Pixies - Doolittle
The Pop Group - How Much Longer Do We Tolerate Mass Murder?
Iggy Pop - Soldier
Iggy Pop - Party
Iggy Pop - Zombie Birdhouse
Iggy Pop - Blah Blah Blah
Robert Plant - The Principle Of Moments
Robert Plant - Honeydrippers Vol. 1
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Pylon - Gyrate
Pylon - Chomp
Rapeman - Two Nuns And A Pack Mule
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Freakey Styley
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Uplift Mofo Party Plan
Lou Reed - The Blue Mask
Lou Reed - New Sensations
Lou Reed - Live in Italy
Lou Reed - New York
R.E.M. - Chronic Town ep
R.E.M. - Murmur
R.E.M. - Reckoning
R.E.M. - Fables of the Reconstruction
R.E.M. - Dead Letter Office
R.E.M. - Life's Rich Pageant
R.E.M. - Document
The Replacements - Let it Be
The Replacements - Tim
The Replacements - Pleased To Meet Me
The Replacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take Out The Trash
The Replacements - Stink
The Rolling Stones - Emotional Rescue
The Rolling Stones -Tattoo You
Run-DMC -Raising Hell
Rush - Permanent Waves
Rush - Moving Pictures
Sade - Diamond Life
Scratch Acid - Scratch Acid
Scratch Acid - Berserker
Sebadoh - Weed=Forestin
Sebadoh - The Freed Man
Sebadoh - The Freed Weed
Patti Smith - Dream of Life
The Smiths - Strangeways, Here We Come
The Smiths - Meat is Murder
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
The Soft Boys - Near the Soft Boys
Sonic Youth - Sonic Youth ep
Sonic Youth - Confusion is Sex
Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising
Sonic Youth - Evol
Sonic Youth - Sister
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription
Sparks - Propaganda
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A.
Styx - Paradise Theater
Styx - Kilroy Was Here
Suicide - Second Album
Sun City Girls - Midnight Cowboys From Impanema
Sun City Girls - Horse Cock Phepner
Talking Heads - Remain in Light
Talking Heads - Speaking in Tongues
Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
Talking Heads - Naked
This Mortal Coil - It'll End in Tears
Throbbing Gristle - Funeral in Berlin
Tom Tom Club - Tom Tom Club
U2 - Boy
U2 - October
U2 - Under A Blood Red Sky
U2 - War
U2 - The Unforgettable Fire
U2 - Wide Awake in America ep
U2 - The Joshua Tree
U2 - Rattle and Hum
Van Halen - 1984
Van Halen - Diver Down
Various Artists (Angelo Badalamenti) - Blue Velvet
Various Artists - Repo Man
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - Texas Flood
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - Couldn't Stand The Weather
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground
Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
Joe Walsh - Confessor
XTC - English Settlement
XTC - Skylarking (their best is White Music (1978))
Frank Zappa - Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
Frank Zappa - Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar
Frank Zappa - Guitar
Frank Zappa - Baby Snakes
Frank Zappa - Thing-Fish
Frank Zappa - Francesco
Frank Zappa - Jazz From Hell
Warren Zevon - Sentimental Hygiene
John Zorn - Naked City


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Eric Clapton?

Echo and the Bunnymen were one of Thee Great eighties bands, but I would have voted for Porcupine or Heaven Up Here over a compilation like Songs To Learn And Sing.

nonsense!

No shit.
Osmonds rock way harder than you realize:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MyRiNZDb5...azy%20horse s

gnr were a spectacular band. if you think of them in comparrison to metal bands, yea they come off a bit weak but that's not what they were. they were just good ol' fashoin blues infused rock and roll baby!

yeah pitchfork's list is a bit hackneyed...mine was in
alphabetical order

the list (although a little lengthier than most in the thread) is really rather incomplete...i suppose (one of your faves perhaps) Black Candy makes it in there also...Right after i posted the list i thought of Appetite for Destruction & all the great times I had to that one in the naivete of my youth...it was unfair & gutless of me not to include it just because of what G 'n R represents to many people (although the band definitely does have its drawbacks & very negative aspects)

hey!! atari think heartbeat city is pretty cool!!! so do i!!!

he also comes in controversial territory i left out my list, but fuck it, what's a message board without controversy. i add these three records to my list:

mötley crüe - too fast for love (the trigger to this sice it's on atari's list)
ratt - out of the cellar
faster pussycat s/t

YESSS
meat puppets are on there
and R.E.M
and dinosaur JR.
and the cure
and sonic youth
good list

Don't they have a separate Top 100 Cock-Rock Albums of All Time?


Faster Pussycat???

Dude, it's all about Iron Maiden and the Priest!

hey assmunch, I left off Shout at the Devil & Theatre of Pain, didn't I? Looks that Kill was a really good hard rock/pop tune though....a fucking killer riff. One (or two) good songs does not make for a noteworthy album. Case in point, Judas Priest's British Steel & Screaming for Vengeance. Similarly, Ratt's Out of the Cellar had Round & Round & Wanted Man, but I left it off. I think khchris just wanted an excuse to write "Cock-Rock".

a-fucking-men!!!!

that's true with so many albums all across the genres

maiden and priest have more to do with deep purple, sabbath and rainbow; and mötley, ratt and faster pussycat are influeced by the new york dolls and cheap trick. pretty different stuff

and priest's best album is sad wings of destiny. out of the cellar is great...but as i said it's controversial territory.

shout is way better than theater of pain but is mediocre compared to too fast for love