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Rob Instigator 02.18.2020 09:43 AM

Reading a second book off of Sun Ra's Reading List.
A New Model of the Universe - P.D. Ouspensky

tw2113 02.18.2020 02:28 PM

I re-read Edie Girl On Fire and finished up Anti-Social Media recently.


Still very slowly on IT, and it's been probably a month since i touched. ALso have one named "Feed" that I'm working on.

Antagon 02.26.2020 03:39 PM

John Murdock's "The Triumphs Of Love":


Another poorly-written play from the late 1700s, this time with 100% more proto-minstrel show caricatures and a scan so bad, certain words are indecipherable. Good thing this is the last of those scripts. They are soul-crushingly awful.

!@#$%! 02.26.2020 03:58 PM

i forgot to report that i finished reading bolaño’s “la literatura nazi en américa” a while ago.

took me long because i read it slowly and at first i looked up some characters to see how realistic they were, their historical context, etc.

it’s such a fucking masterpiece! so beautifully constructed, at once lyrical and satyrical, erudite and complete utter bullshit...

i want to read it and reread it like people used to read the encyclopedia hahahahaaaa

the encyclopedia of tlön...

there are many many many many many many but MANY latin american writers, and writers from other places, who tried to imitate borges, and of course failed.

this guy read borges extremely well, but instead of imitating him, bolaño took the old man’s concepts to another fucking galaxy, and made them absolutely his.

talk about the anxiety of influence. holy fuck!

this was a triumph.

a glorious work of fiction. best thing i’ve read in ages. aaaaaaaaaaages.

i mean, seriously, the power of invention of this guy... something else entirely. and the best thing is: so subtle. almost invisible.

plus many other virtues, like his moral judgment (the perspective from which characters are described), and his use of language... the guy used to be a poet and he hides it very well. by which i mean: the book reads like a novel, but the sentences are the sentences of a poet.

hats off. all the way. such a pity i didn’t meet him sooner. just incredible. eternal.

ilduclo 02.26.2020 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i forgot to report that i finished reading bolaño’s “la literatura nazi en américa” a while ago.

took me long because i read it slowly and at first i looked up some characters to see how realistic they were, their historical context, etc.

it’s such a fucking masterpiece! so beautifully constructed, at once lyrical and satyrical, erudite and complete utter bullshit...

i want to read it and reread it like people used to read the encyclopedia hahahahaaaa

the encyclopedia of tlön...

there are many many many many many many but MANY latin american writers, and writers from other places, who tried to imitate borges, and of course failed.

this guy read borges extremely well, but instead of imitating him, bolaño took the old man’s concepts to another fucking galaxy, and made them absolutely his.

talk about the anxiety of influence. holy fuck!

this was a triumph.

a glorious work of fiction. best thing i’ve read in ages. aaaaaaaaaaages.

i mean, seriously, the power of invention of this guy... something else entirely. and the best thing is: so subtle. almost invisible.

plus many other virtues, like his moral judgment (the perspective from which characters are described), and his use of language... the guy used to be a poet and he hides it very well. by which i mean: the book reads like a novel, but the sentences are the sentences of a poet.

hats off. all the way. such a pity i didn’t meet him sooner. just incredible. eternal.


I thought you did mention it? I agree it is a wonderful book. I've read a lot of his stuff and thought it the best.

!@#$%! 02.26.2020 08:38 PM

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I thought you did mention it? I agree it is a wonderful book. I've read a lot of his stuff and thought it the best.

i mentioned starting it... it was a very slow trip... because it was so enjoyable, i didn't wanna cram it

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 07:07 AM

im trying to get started with robbe-grillet’s “la jalousie” (jealousy) but it’s like watching flies fuck. boring descriptions of nothing at all. what’s the point of this? “theory”?

does anyone here have anything good to say about this book? have you read it? happily?

demonrail666 03.03.2020 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
im trying to get started with robbe-grillet’s “la jalousie” (jealousy) but it’s like watching flies fuck. boring descriptions of nothing at all. what’s the point of this? “theory”?

does anyone here have anything good to say about this book? have you read it? happily?


OK, I remember trying that years ago, when I wanted to appear far more sophisticated than I'll ever actually be. I reckon I got about a quarter of the way through it before conceding defeat, relegating it to a very visible place on my bookshelf, in the hope that it might impress someone. I imagine it was around the same time I was watching a lot of Theo Angelopoulos films ... or at least pretending to.

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 09:57 AM

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OK, I remember trying that years ago, when I wanted to appear far more sophisticated than I'll ever actually be. I reckon I got about a quarter of the way through it before conceding defeat, relegating it to a very visible place on my bookshelf, in the hope that it might impress someone. I imagine it was around the same time I was watching a lot of Theo Angelopoulos films ... or at least pretending to.

a quarter! you must be ironman. i kept getting stuck on page 3.

e.g. (paraphrasing)

“this is the column. the shadow hits the corner of the veranda...”

veranda! who gives a fuck! i wanna stab the bastard who wrote this in the eye.

i have never seen this angelopolous guy. there’s a thai filmmaker now making what im assuming it’s stuff in a similar genre. lemme look up his name...

apitchapong... “tropical malady” was goddamn unwatchable. i did like an hour of it? uffffff i think i attempted “syndromes and a century” first. or was it “uncle boonmee”? it is all a blur now. have never finished one.

eta: now i wanna try angelopoulos just to say i did hahahaha.

demonrail666 03.03.2020 10:24 AM

Angelopoulos is actually really good tbh, I just wasn't ready for him at the time and was really watching for all the wrong reasons. I watched Eternity and a Day a few months ago and loved it.

Also a general question, while I'm here:

At a loose end for something to read. Want something 'quality' but not so weighty that I'll likely never finish it ... nothing over 300 pages. Ideally post-war 2oth Century, preferably American. (Bellow? Updike? Roth? A.N. Other?)

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 10:59 AM

how post-war are we talking? i mean... 40s/50s? needs to be war related? you want something more or less anthropological or...? also: fiction or non fiction?

demonrail666 03.03.2020 11:05 AM

Thinking around 50s-80s. Maybe anthropological. Definitely more socially oriented than psychological, but nothing politically crusading. More slice of life.

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 11:09 AM

ok i have to work a bit but lemme throw some names and you sort them

richard wright
carson mccullers
arthur miller
james baldwin
grace paley
flannery o’connor



eta!
oh more slice of life grace paley

flannery is great though more “metaphysical”

80s tama janowitz slaves of new york i recall was hilarious if you want to have a good time

gtg, back for lunch

demonrail666 03.03.2020 11:28 AM

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ok i have to work a bit but lemme throw some names and you sort them


Cool thanks!


richard wright - read Native Son
carson mccullers - Southern Gothic
arthur miller - I'd feel like I was back at school
james baldwin - Read Go Tell it to the Mountain.
grace paley - Never heard of her but reading her wiki doesn't seem quite what I'm ofter.
flannery o’connor - Read Wiseblood

OK, my description really wasn't very helpful. Lemme try again. Imagine if say Hannah and Her Sisters was a novel. People talking about stuff in restaurants. Artist types. Writers. Failed marriages. A definite sense of location but if it was NYC it'd be more Upper than Lower East Side, or the suburbs.

demonrail666 03.03.2020 11:31 AM

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80s tama janowitz slaves of new york i recall was hilarious if you want to have a good time


I've read Slaves of New York but that pretty much nails it.

Also read Brett Easton Ellis and the Bright Light Big City guy. Also Tom Wolfe.

Maybe give Don Delillo another go.

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I've read Slaves of New York but that pretty much nails it.

Also read Brett Easton Ellis and the Bright Light Big City guy. Also Tom Wolfe.

Maybe give Don Delillo another go.


from the above sounds to me you want maybe a 70s flavor?

if so-- erica jong's "fear of flying" is a riot.

i'd also suggest cynthia ozick but she's more about jewish life than "new york". also, ruth puttermesser is not in anyway "cool" ha ha ha. more of a geek really. i did laugh.

oh! arthur nersesian's "the fuckup" is more of a picaresque and also not upper east side but the east village. i liked it. check it out.

oh! patti smith's book maybe? just kids? i never read it but it's about her times with mapplethorpe.

and grace paley is maybe a different milieu but she was a good writer....

ok! if all else fails, erica jong is fantastic.

i should also check out joan didion. which i haven't yet...

demonrail666 03.03.2020 02:26 PM

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if so-- erica jong's "fear of flying" is a riot.


That's it! Perfect! I actually read it about 30 years ago but it's due another go.

Thanks!

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 03:14 PM

^ great! enjoy.



i officially cancelled the boring french novel and got joan didion’s “slouching towards bethlehem” instead. starts with a *great* preface!

!@#$%! 03.03.2020 04:38 PM

jeezus fucking christ, this woman is a poet! a poet and a journalist. her descriptions are FUCKING SUBLIME.

ok. i go back to it...


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