I quoted from the article in the magazine.

It is a subculture, though, in that a group of youngsters are into a style of music, a record shop or two is open to cater for this taste etc. A crap one it is too, but you can't call it anything else but a subculture.

There's that bloke, something Searle, I think his name is, who makes a complete fortune doing those kinds of make-overs to big pop hits. I remember him doing absolute wonders with Frankie Goes to Hollywood's 'The Power of Love'. It's a strange thing to dedicate your creative energies to though. The money's no doubt great but I can't see it being particularly rewarding otherwise. Better than being a postman though, I suppose.

It is kind of odd, but then again there have always been record companies that employ musicians/DJ's to produce that kind of stuff to sell it to clubs, advertising companies etc. Lou Reed himself started out getting paid to write disposable songs for cheap mass-market compilations on the Pickwick label. Apparently people like Jackson Browne and others all started out by going into these corporate places to write disposable songs in a few minutes for some money in exchange.

You're kind of insulting to people in general.

But, more seriously for a second, subcultures aren't defined by an individual's will, and neither are they defined by ration. Bassline/ Happy Hardcore (from which this whole Donk thing is springing) are definitely subterfuges within popular consciousness (they certainly affect a great many more people than this board's beloved 'noise' genre), I don't see why that isn't a subculture, or at least sub-narrative.

It's a fascinating process. I've known a handful of corporate writers - nice people, but definitely backroom geeks. The thing for me is that there's lots of 'you lift me up' (or whatever that Westlife song was called) but there haven't been a pop team as magnificent as Xenomania since... SAW? the Pet Shop Boys? It's a cunt, writing decent pop.

[quote=demonrail666]Why?[/quote

Because not only do i not like the music, it has nothing else about it that i can at least admire. So yes, i hate the idea of standards being so reduced and this falls right under that umbrella

I'm fascinated by that tradition. Anonymous hit writers and shapers. The 'Brill Building Sound', etc. Relatively unsung heroes of pop: Laura Nyro, Carole King, Claus Ogerman, et al. That ability to write great pop to order has been denigrated over the years, with artists too eager to write their own material regardless of whether they're actually any good at it. Being a great guitarist/singer/whatever doesn't necessarily equip you to write something as marvelous as 'Up on the Roof' or a raft of other written to order gems.

Speechless! Genuinely speechless. I just watched all five parts. I seriously need to find a way of downloading it. This CANNOT be lost. "Fat lads on steroids", "Air Max and bikinis" I had no idea! I'm going to cook some dinner now, bring it upstairs and I'm gonna watch it again. I'm in a daze.

I just watched all of that and then did a search for donk on here.

Just 24 hours ago I was blissfully unaware of this whole scene. Worst youth subculture of the last 15 years? Quite possibly.

I'm not that aware of the current state of UK youth sociodemographics, but isn't this something that chavs listen to?

chavs on steroids.
also 14-15 year old boys and girls (growing up to become chavs)

it has to be seen to believe it... burnley's buzzin'.

"pre-chav music"

pre, present and post
(doesn't surprise me glice enjoys it either, given his happy hardcore leanings)

anyway, glad i don't live there.

donk died for somebody's sins, but not mine.

if I were still a DJ, I would be forced to change my name to Donk E-Kong.

although I haven't had a chance to visit links and hear for myself, I won't be shocked to learn that donk was heavily influenced by wonky.

in fact, wonky-donk could very well be the NEXT BIG THING (I'll be registering Wonky Kong too, just in case).

as demonrail said, that's just ubelievable.
a fine crafted mixture of everything wrong about teenage people. drugs, cheesy dumb music, stupid aggresive steroid-soaked assholes, violence ... and tracksuits.

tracksuits are a cross generational thing, aren't they? shared by both chavs on the donk scene and grandpas in florida.

woah
I had never heard of this donk scene before checking this thread, and I must say I'm pretty amazed. Worst thing is, "Put A Donk On It" isn't even the worst thing to come out of this - try checking Chemical Crew's "What's A Donk", it's even worse.
Could it be the english equivalent for french's tecktonik?

these guys sure put on a great live show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aLUx...eature=related