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█████████ 03.26.2008 01:27 PM

i dont know if you were addressing at me but that song is not on adventure either.

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by █████████
hey rob, the "indie kids" and "hipsters" like marquee moon too, careful.


I am a 34 year old hipster/indie kid/punk/metalhead/art fag

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Television is amazing. Marquee Moon, Adventure, and The Blow-up... all are fantastic albums. I just hesitate to recommend them to Rob, who clearly is not into that late-70s late-punk sound.

Hey, I just made up a genre name: late-punk.


what "sound"?

the Voidoids sound just like any fucking late 50's era wanna-be band, like a shit garage rock band.

I love the Patty smith albums, the first 3 talking heads albums, the Stooges, etc.

gmku 03.26.2008 01:49 PM

Well, you're not all bad then. Good luck finding Simply Saucer.

Savage Clone 03.26.2008 01:50 PM

Simply Saucer are playing Terrastock this year.

gmku 03.26.2008 01:51 PM

Are they as good as they used to be?

Savage Clone 03.26.2008 02:04 PM

I have no idea. That Cyborgs LP rules though.

batreleaser 03.26.2008 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by █████████
i dont know if you were addressing at me but that song is not on adventure either.



i wasnt, i was just sayin

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 02:28 PM

Beethoven rules BTW

batreleaser 03.26.2008 02:42 PM

yes he does. unfortunatly ive never been able to listen to classical for pure pleasure. ive never been able to just throw some bach on my headphones. closed minded of me i know, but its never suited my fantasy. i do like 20th century composers though, and i love good film composition (the good, the bad, and the ugly, soundtrack i listen to probably monthly).

uhler 03.26.2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
yes he does. unfortunatly ive never been able to listen to classical for pure pleasure. ive never been able to just throw some bach on my headphones. closed minded of me i know, but its never suited my fantasy. i do like 20th century composers though, and i love good film composition (the good, the bad, and the ugly, soundtrack i listen to probably monthly).


so do i. well more like bi monthly, but yeah it's awesome.

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 02:55 PM

I played cello for 8 years so classical music is like second nature for me.
then again, so are curvy brunnette girls with glasses.


 

Sonic Youth 37 03.26.2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Beethoven rules BTW


And is also unbeatable for the price. 9 symphonies for $10. Best $10 anyone will ever spend.

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 04:32 PM

This is what the allmusic guide review has to say about blank generation

Richard Hell was one of the first men on the scene when punk rock first began to emerge in New York City as an early member of both Television and the Heartbreakers (he left both groups before they could record), but his own version of punk wasn't much like anyone else's, and while Hell's debut album, Blank Generation, remains one of the most powerful to come from punk's first wave, anyone expecting a Ramones/Dead Boys-style frontal assault from this set had better readjust their expectations. "Love Comes in Spurts" and "Liar's Beware" proved the Voidoids could play fast and loud when they wanted to, but for the most part this group's formula was much more complicated than that; guitarists Robert Quine and Ivan Julian bounced sharp, edgy patterns off each other that were more about psychological tension than brute force (though Quine's solos suggest a fragile grace beneath the surface of their neo-Beefheart chaos), and while most punk nihilism was of the simplistic "Everything Sucks" variety, Hell was (with the exception of Patti Smith) the most literate and consciously poetic figure in the New York punk scene. While there's little on the album that's friendly or life-affirming, there's a crackling intelligence to songs like "New Pleasure," "Betrayal Takes Two," and "Another World" that confirmed Hell has a truly unique lyrical voice, at once supremely self-confident and dismissive of nearly everything around him (sometimes including himself). Brittle and troubling, but brimming with ideas and musical intelligence, Blank Generation was groundbreaking punk rock that followed no one's template, and today it sounds just as fresh — and nearly as abrasive — as it did when it first hit the racks.


I find this shit LAUGHABLE. LAUGHABLE, MAN! what a fucking joke. this sounds just like another asshole who wanted to suck off Richard Hell back in the day. Here are the bits I just do not hear at all

Hell's debut album, Blank Generation, remains one of the most powerful to come from punk's first wave

what the fuck? Powerful? Powerful? get the fuck out of here. This boring ass fucking bullshit music is as powerful as one of Chrissie Hynde's farts.

guitarists Robert Quine and Ivan Julian bounced sharp, edgy patterns off each other that were more about psychological tension than brute force (though Quine's solos suggest a fragile grace beneath the surface of their neo-Beefheart chaos),

sharp edgy patterns? what a fucking cock suck. wht a fucking load of shit. the guitar in this album is middlingly interesting at BEST. fucking pathetic. neo-beefheart? chaos? what CHAOS? all I hear is sloppy 3rd rate garage rock. If Captain beefheart sounds anything like this album then I am truly thankful I have never ever let my precious ears come into contact wityh beefheart albums.

this fucking dead piece of rotting shit-rock in NO WAY sounds "fresh" or "abrasive". the extra soft toilet paper my mom buys is fucking more abrasive than this piece of OVER-RATED mediocrity.

fuck I hate it so.

gmku 03.26.2008 04:38 PM

Take a chill pill, man. And know that we still love you. Very much.

Rob Instigator 03.26.2008 04:48 PM

i walk the thinnest line

;)

atsonicpark 03.26.2008 04:53 PM

patty smith is awful.

gmku 03.26.2008 05:04 PM

Now them is fighting words!

But maybe there's some confusion--Rob meant Patti Smith.

Pookie 03.26.2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
patty smith is awful.

I don't know if you're joking, but I agree nonetheless.

o o o 03.26.2008 06:47 PM

I think it's a great record. This thread made me listen to it again tonight after not having listened to it in a long time, and I still enjoy it a lot.

I actually remember not being impressed by it the first time I heard it, but I assume it is simply because I had this preconceived idea of what that "seminal NYC punk album" should sound like (probably based on the other music also labelled as "punk" that I was already listening to) and was disappointed not to get what I was expecting… But then later on, I slowly got into it.

Out of curiosity, what are the 2 or 3 songs that you like? From what you wrote in this thread, I suspect that it is songs such as "Blank generation", "Love comes in spurts" or "Liars beware"… not the slower/softer ones such as "Betrayal takes two", "New pleasure", "The Plan", "Walking on the water", "I'm your man", etc. Me, I like all those songs, I must say.

In any case, I am not sure it is a good idea to force yourself to listen to it every day if your first reaction is not favorable, the feeling of rejection can only increase… Maybe it's better to let it sleep a bit and give it a chance later on. But what do I know?

o o o 03.26.2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
This is what the allmusic guide review has to say about blank generation

(...) anyone expecting a Ramones/Dead Boys-style frontal assault from this set had better readjust their expectations. " (...)


This is actually similar to what I was trying to say (not that I was specifically thinking of the Ramones/Dead Boys angle)...

I cannot remember what "The kid with the replaceable head" sounds like, but I think I also liked that song very much.

Trasher02 03.26.2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
patty smith is awful.

You crossed the line this time.

Pookie 03.26.2008 06:54 PM

For me the really good tracks are Blank Generation and Love Comes In Spurts.

There's no really bad tracks, but nothing else that stands out or is any way memorable.

Pookie 03.26.2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by o o o
I cannot remember what "The kid with the replaceable head" sounds like, but I think I also liked that song very much.

That is a great song.

gmku 03.26.2008 06:55 PM

Maybe we should start by getting the Godmother of Punk's name right. It's Patti with an i. Patty Smyth was a pop Christian singer. Patti Smith, on the other hand, sang "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine..."

Pookie 03.26.2008 06:57 PM

The same Patti Smith who was responsible for the musical abomination that was Easter?

gmku 03.26.2008 06:58 PM

Don't pick a fight with us over Patti Smith just because you don't happen to like her. I'm not seeing the point.

Cantankerous 03.26.2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
"Oh, Rob!"

"Now, Laura, take it easy, honey."

"But, Rob. Oh, Rob, it's a great record. It's one of the finest of the new-wave period, edgy and yet melodic, tuneful and literate. Why, Rob, I'm surprised, frankly."




 

ITS NOT FUCKING NEW WAVE!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pookie
The same Patti Smith who was responsible for the musical abomination that was Easter?


radio ethiopia was soooooo much better.
but easter had rocknroll nigger which is the greatest song she has ever recorded

gmku 03.26.2008 07:08 PM

That wasn't I who called it new wave. That was Laura Petrie. I'll talk to her.

gmku 03.26.2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
I'm just saying I see Rob's point.

There are certain artists/albums that are almost untouchable.

And it sometimes feels good to just say IT'S SHIT very loudly.


Well, if it makes you feel better...

Cantankerous 03.26.2008 07:09 PM

i hate it when people call the talking heads and t.v. and the voidoids new wave.

Pookie 03.26.2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Well, if it makes you feel better...

It does, thanks for listening.

gmku 03.26.2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
i hate it when people call the talking heads and t.v. and the voidoids new wave.


Why? Maybe it fits their definition. I don't think the space/time continuum is going to collapse or anything if people mis-categorize a few bands.

Pookie 03.26.2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
i hate it when people call the talking heads and t.v. and the voidoids new wave.

I hate it when people call Talking Heads, The Talking Heads.

Cantankerous 03.26.2008 07:12 PM

nazi.
talking heads w/o the article doesnt roll off the tongue too well.

batreleaser 03.26.2008 07:33 PM

i could never stand the talking heads except for a few tracks of remain in light, i mean theyve always just epitomizred artsy fartsy bullshit for the sake of being artsy fartsy. ive never understood their importance, but have never held it against people who like them.

Pookie 03.26.2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
i could never stand the talking heads except for a few tracks of remain in light, i mean theyve always just epitomizred artsy fartsy bullshit for the sake of being artsy fartsy. ive never understood their importance, but have never held it against people who like them.

Don't you start.

✌➬ 03.26.2008 07:37 PM

I never have given TheTalking Heads much of a chance.

batreleaser 03.26.2008 08:17 PM

im sorry to offend, *talking heads, have never stricken my fantasy. who the fuck honestly cares if you use "the" or not.

✌➬ 03.26.2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
im sorry to offend, *talking heads, have never stricken my fantasy. who the fuck honestly cares if you use "the" or not.


Pookie obviously cares.


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