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Glice 02.16.2010 08:24 PM

I'm glad you emphasised the only reason I could be bothered to respond.

pbradley 02.16.2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
This isn't absolute, but it isn't therefore obscure. I don't believe you don't understand what I said, and what I was getting at. I also don't think you're thinking I was making an empirical statement. I think you're well aware that I was describing why I don't like the Melvins. I'm sure you're aware this doesn't matter one jot in the great manner of things.

Oh, well, I already admitted as much in my reply to sarramkrop. I thought you were still pressing the case beyond opining sentiment. Sorry for my confusion.

Glice 02.16.2010 08:30 PM

It's fine dear. Just don't do it again or I will e-scowl at you so hard your face will be ashen. Ashen!

Genteel Death 02.16.2010 08:39 PM

Ok, can we go back to the original subject of this thread, now?

pbradley 02.16.2010 08:39 PM

Good lord, the Griffin image really does add a lot to that. I can't help but think my face wouldn't be so ashen as much as my my eyes would go all wonky.

pbradley 02.16.2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Ok, can we go back to the original subject of this thread, now?

Yeah, Melvins are a dead-end band.

Some good stuff leading to the shore of a sea of boredom.

Genteel Death 02.16.2010 08:42 PM

I remember Buzzo saying that the melvins were his favourite band till he was over them.

Glice 02.16.2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Ok, can we go back to the original subject of this thread, now?


I hear that Buzzo is a really nice person. And I'm sure that's true. Which is part of the problem. If he was a genuinely horrible person, like Varg or someone, that'd make the music at least convincing. As it is, it's just a drab wall of lifeless riffing. It's like hardcore porn with limp penises, all thrusting and no spunk.

floatingslowly 02.16.2010 08:56 PM

I found a reason to keep singing.
 

Genteel Death 02.16.2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
The thing with music is that there is a vernacular of musicology. The problem with rock is that pretty much anything like the Melvins is a very short conversation. Blues, slower, sometimes fewer intervals, long. That's it. Talking about the audience gets to the genuine subtleties in the music (timbre, tone, production etc) much quicker than describing what valves they use on their amps. It's usually easier to use oblique, inexact euphemisms than it is to treat music like a lab-case.




This is true, but only if in 2010 you apply it to not just rock music, but also to much house, happy hardcore, dub, hip hop, and way too much pop music produced in this time and age, which you seem to more or less enjoy.
A lot of the rock music I like I'm dead certain hasn't been composed with a mindset that worried about what the analysis of an expert musicologist makes out of it, even the kind that seems to stretche the conventions of what was previously there, or, like I often find now, takes inspiration from the more under-explored corners of otherwise celebrated ''golden eras'' of music. I find the whole debate on the alleged antagonism between pop music/electronic music in general and guitars to be a regurgitation of British music journalism of the now distant past, since time and again, and particularly in the past decade, the instrumentation of a considerable number of rock bands has in many cases evolved from the more prominent set up consisting of just guitar/bass/drums/vox of yore.

Seandi 02.16.2010 09:30 PM

Rockism... When will it die?

the ikara cult 02.16.2010 09:44 PM

was Buzzo the one who went to prison?

demonrail666 02.16.2010 09:50 PM

No, that was Nelson Mandela

Dead-Air 02.17.2010 12:21 AM

Put me down in the veneration camp. A world without them would be as fun as a world without german chocolate cheesecake. I hope I get extra credit for the perfect pathetic stoner analogy too.

atsonicpark 02.17.2010 12:36 AM

Brilliant band. Really intelligent songwriting. They take all their songs in extremely interesting directions... they're also one of the most consistently great bands of all time, up there with the Fall.

atsonicpark 02.17.2010 12:44 AM

Ideas for future installments - Whitehouse, Nurse With Wound, The Cure, Black Flag, Dinosaur Jr., Yeah Yeah Yeahs, My Bloody Valentine, nearly every riot grrl band except Bikini Kill, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

Genteel Death 02.17.2010 02:06 AM

Glice sent in a Pavement suggestion, and who am I do decline?

atsonicpark 02.17.2010 03:14 AM

Ah, that's a good choice. I think Slanted and Wowee are great albums, but meh..

GeneticKiss 02.17.2010 03:23 AM

How about Sonic Youth? I know, they're my favorite band of all time too, but you have to admit they could be just as easy to hate as they are to love...

But honestly, I think anyone who hates the Melvins on the basis that a good number of their songs are slow and sludgy hasn't really heard a whole lot of their stuff. Mind you, I've only got Houdini, but I wouldn't call every song on there "metal"...

Genteel Death 02.17.2010 03:35 AM

I never suggested that they are a metal band, if you are looking at me, I only implied that they are shitcore.

Genteel Death 02.17.2010 03:42 AM

Ok, maybe you could say that they are brown metal.

pbradley 02.17.2010 04:10 AM

Let's talk shit on Stereolab.

atsonicpark 02.17.2010 05:01 AM

No.

pbradley 02.17.2010 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

Leck mich im Arsch

pbradley 02.17.2010 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
No.

Coward.

atsonicpark 02.17.2010 06:22 AM

Stereolab don't have a single bad song in their huge discography (even the stuff with NWW!). Brilliant band.

Glice 02.17.2010 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
This is true, but only if in 2010 you apply it to not just rock music, but also to much house, happy hardcore, dub, hip hop, and way too much pop music produced in this time and age, which you seem to more or less enjoy.
A lot of the rock music I like I'm dead certain hasn't been composed with a mindset that worried about what the analysis of an expert musicologist makes out of it, even the kind that seems to stretche the conventions of what was previously there, or, like I often find now, takes inspiration from the more under-explored corners of otherwise celebrated ''golden eras'' of music. I find the whole debate on the alleged antagonism between pop music/electronic music in general and guitars to be a regurgitation of British music journalism of the now distant past, since time and again, and particularly in the past decade, the instrumentation of a considerable number of rock bands has in many cases evolved from the more prominent set up consisting of just guitar/bass/drums/vox of yore.


Yeah, that's very true - the only exception I'd make is that Dub, certainly 75-83 or so, has some incredibly clever ideas floating about. I think Pablo's really quite astonishing in some of the things he does. But I've got no bones with saying the Happy Hardcore is equally, if not more, formulaic than most other genres. I just happen to think it's a brilliant formula (particularly the continued cod-counterpoint they use).

[Sandbag] 02.17.2010 08:58 AM

I think they're good.. I feel there's no 'lack of understanding' and they do what they do like they do because they like it that way..

I don't really see a resemblance with metallica

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
And I am a very consistent pot smoker. But when I'm high I usually want to listen to anything from Warren Zevon to Curtis Mayfield to Royal Trux. The obvious weed music doesn't usually do it for me.


I don't understand weed music. I don't listen to anything different because I'm smoking which is most of the time. When I get high I am normal and pleasant to be around. I'm not going on some artistic trip. Now ecstacy acid and alcohal are a different story. Your perceptions are greatly altered so I can see where one would pick certain music in these instances.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by [Sandbag]
I think they're good.. I feel there's no 'lack of understanding' and they do what they do like they do because they like it that way..

I don't really see a resemblance with metallica


The only resemblance I see is the loudness and heavy feeling. I absolutley adore Metallica. I have loved them since I was 12 and followed them ever since. If they are metallicaesc I would have picked up on them a lot earlier than I did.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Stereolab don't have a single bad song in their huge discography (even the stuff with NWW!). Brilliant band.


funny I just found an old steriolab CD I forgot about when I was cleaning up my Cd's. I like them still, but I am in a different phase now.

batreleaser 02.17.2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
I don't understand weed music. I don't listen to anything different because I'm smoking which is most of the time. When I get high I am normal and pleasant to be around. I'm not going on some artistic trip. Now ecstacy acid and alcohal are a different story. Your perceptions are greatly altered so I can see where one would pick certain music in these instances.


Well booze I like fun music. But EX makes whatever music you like better. But alcohol definitely lets me drop my pretensions and enjoy the shit out of Rick Springfield or something.

Derek 02.17.2010 10:27 AM

Stereolab are amazing.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
Well booze I like fun music. But EX makes whatever music you like better. But alcohol definitely lets me drop my pretensions and enjoy the shit out of Rick Springfield or something.


yeah i'll dance to hanna montana when I'm drunk so pretty much anything goes with a beat while drunken. ex definitly intensifies the njoyment of yr constant favs

loubarret 02.17.2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
Stereolab are amazing.

Chemical Chords is pretty rubbisch so is Fab Four Subture. And the groop played has 2 killer songs but the other ones are let downs.

Still Dots and loops, Peng! and tomato are pretty amazing. Great band but just to many rubbish albums to be called amazing

tesla69 02.17.2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
The Melvins are fucking awesome.

Gluery Porch Treatments, Ozma, and Bullhead ... are the ultimate in fabulous heavy riffage..


Those albums are like 15 years old...

Glice 02.17.2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Ideas for future installments - Whitehouse, Nurse With Wound, The Cure, Black Flag, Dinosaur Jr., Yeah Yeah Yeahs, My Bloody Valentine, nearly every riot grrl band except Bikini Kill, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.


Yes, yes, why?, yes, YES, meh?, also meh, buh?, NO.

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.17.2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
yeah i'll dance to hanna montana when I'm drunk so pretty much anything goes with a beat while drunken. ex definitly intensifies the njoyment of yr constant favs

Ephesians 5:18 "and be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the spirit"

bible'll get ya every time

batreleaser 02.17.2010 07:13 PM

80s pop is awesome for drunk. Crowded House-I Don't Wanna Lose Your Love

Oh and does anyone watch Californication? Rick Springfield played himself in the last season and was a fucking riot. Sample line, "Two nights, 6 chicks, no rubbahs."

atsonicpark 02.18.2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Yes, yes, why?, yes, YES, meh?, also meh, buh?, NO.


I fucking hate the Cure.

I was kidding about Mozart. Though I do prefer Ludwig Van.


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