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Glice 12.15.2006 09:23 AM
'Quality'? And are S-club not the absolute paradigm of good-quality breezy fun pop? If not, who is please? In 2500-4000 words, making reference to the cotton revolt of 1762 in Sheffield, UK.

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:25 AM
Funny, but good breezy fun pop is, oh, say... The Vaselines. Not "ain't no party like an s-club party."

Glice 12.15.2006 09:26 AM
Eh? Eh? What? Really? Wow. That's an amazing choice. I'm astonished.

Edit: Astonished and amazed at the perversity of choice, in case anyone was wandering.

porkmarras 12.15.2006 09:26 AM
Coolness?Me?you really seem to know me more than i do,sweetheart.

Glice 12.15.2006 09:28 AM
Ha. As I've said before, I'm well aware that Cradle are pretty much awful, and I the only defence I can make is that I enjoy them for their absurd portentiousness, much like meatloaf.

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Coolness?Me?you really seem to know me more than i do,sweetheart.

What? Who are you talking to?

porkmarras 12.15.2006 09:29 AM
The Vaselines are way too 'self-conscious' to be defined as pop,though.Discussion not arguments.

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Glice
Ha. As I've said before, I'm well aware that Cradle are pretty much awful, and I the only defence I can make is that I enjoy them for their absurd portentiousness, much like meatloaf.

Meatloaf is hilarious. In a so-cheesy-that-it's-fun way.
"I was barely seventeen, and I was barely dreeeesseduh"

porkmarras 12.15.2006 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by k-krack
What? Who are you talking to?
Nevermind,fuckit.

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:35 AM
I consider the Vaselines basically straight-up pop music. Pop can be pop without being "popular," right? Alright. Simple, three chord, love-songs = Pop

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
as boring as a find meatloaf, he does inded demonstrate much more creativity that the shit metal wanna bes cradle of filth.

damn, least be cool enough to have said venom. you talk about giving people lead-wat do to age in their musiocal tastes, but shit, anyone over 20 that digs cradle is almost a dumb-ass. esp. anyone thats actually spent money on such garbage.

tee-hee-hee! In all honesty, I've heard maybe... one metal band I like. And it's Burzum... Every other metal act is just... "snooooooore."

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:38 AM
I know, I'm just making a generalization, is all.

sonicl 12.15.2006 09:38 AM
I'm going to end up kicked up a hill for saying this, and then kicked back down for good measure, but I can't help but notice how American culture seems to allow no room for any crossover in tastes between mainstream and non-mainstream musics, while European culture seems to embrace that kind of a crossover, and sees no wrong in liking both sugar-sweet pop and weird-as-fuck rock. Any idea why?

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:41 AM
Well, I'm Canadian, so I resent that American comment... though I ackowledge that you mean north america... right?
I think maybe the reason is that Europeans have trhe capacity to listen to utter shit...? Whereas us closed-minded, hip, young, impatient americans can only afford ourselves to listen to quality music.
*note the dripping sarcasm, please+thanks. I don't want to fight with you though, sonicl. I like you.

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
well, there are bands that have taken metal influence and have actually done interesting shit.

like the melvins. the melvins come from a very "punk rock" background, and have experimented ALOT (i mean, much like SY, you buy 4 melvins albums, and each may cover differnt musical territory).

but heck man, theyve had somewhat of a metal vibe at times.

but yeah...typically...almost awlays...metal pretty much sux. straight ahead metal guitarist dont leave themselves room to try different things, and when they try, their audience (as stupid as they almost always are) never tend to embrace it.

sonic youth could almost get away with doing a straight ahead dylan esque folk album if they wanted. their fans woould acutally give it a chance.

haha...metallica looses half their fan base simply cause they cut their heair. heaven forbid they attempt the folk album.

stupid fuckers.

What I have heard from the Melvins annoys the hell out of me... sorry. I know what yr saying though. Metallica's fanbase nowadays seems to be 40 year old douchebags, and 13 year old "rockers."

sonicl 12.15.2006 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by k-krack
Well, I'm Canadian, so I resent that American comment... though I ackowledge that you mean north america... right?
I think maybe the reason is that Europeans have trhe capacity to listen to utter shit...? Whereas us closed-minded, hip, young, impatient americans can only afford ourselves to listen to quality music.
*note the dripping sarcasm, please+thanks. I don't want to fight with you though, sonicl. I like you.
's okay, I have no desire to fight either. It's just something I've noticed when posting on here, and it intrigues me.

porkmarras 12.15.2006 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicl
I'm going to end up kicked up a hill for saying this, and then kicked back down for good measure, but I can't help but notice how American culture seems to allow no room for any crossover in tastes between mainstream and non-mainstream musics, while European culture seems to embrace that kind of a crossover, and sees no wrong in liking both sugar-sweet pop and weird-as-fuck rock. Any idea why?
Good old sonicl.I think there are several reasons for this and i'll try to explain(it's just my opinion,mind).Europe has always been the brain of the world(up until now,at least) and has more of a tradition in contextualizing its and other countries's music.In terms of general popular culture the fact that Britain is close to the rest of it(both geographically and economically) simply means that whatever pops up in the country is quickly picked up by the press/radio in the rest of Europe thus creating a musical envoirement that is self-sustained for the most part.More later as the phone's ringing........

k-krack 12.15.2006 09:50 AM
And let it be known that some of the best music I have heard ever has been coming out of Canada for the past 10 or so years. (Record labels; Constellation, Last Gang, Arts & Crafts, Alien8, [though they release alot of non-canadian music], I could go on...)

sonicl 12.15.2006 09:51 AM
Yeah, maybe we take longer to grow up in Europe. Ha ha

sonicl 12.15.2006 09:57 AM
Please, let's not have the "who started punk" argument again. It always ends in tears and acrimony.

Glice 12.15.2006 09:58 AM
I think one of the large disparities between Europe (or my part of it anyway) is that Europe produces an awful lot of dance music, whereas, save for Detroit house, there's a lot less of a culture of dance music in America. I don't mean hip-hop, which is a dance music of sorts, but it's also has a lot more of a message rather than being purely about 'the dancing'. British people (such is my experience) are often found raving it up one night and seeing rock stuff the next, or even both in one evening.

Is this contentious? Someone American tell me I'm wrong.

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
even though this isnt complete..so far i agree with ya to SOME DEGREE. as far as art is concerned, eurpoe and the US have always somewhat went hand in hand.

we start this little thing called punk rock...and all of a sudden these "punk bands" start poppin up all over europe. even though it still somehwat differnt in ideals, musically its somewhat similiar.



anyone ever heard of the clean? those dudes were amzing. apparently their still together, im not sure though.
Well punk rock is just a drop in the ocean if we talk music in general.This i could deny or you could deny but it remains a fact in history.Loads of really good music came and comes out of the USA/Canada etc etc but just because it has a ready-made trampoline(the media) it aint mean it is the only music being produced in the world or the most interesting.I'm personally more interested in indigeneous musics (american,european or non) than punk rock(which i was never really that fond of to start with) but it is all relative to your perception of sound,innit love?

k-krack 12.15.2006 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
well..i wont say yr wrong, europe does seem to have much more of a "dance" following...however....we have ALOT of it too. alot alot alot alot.

everybody likes dancing. except for me it seems...heh

I hate dancing. The closest I could allow myself to dancing would be slam-dancing...

sonicl 12.15.2006 10:14 AM
Now we're getting to the root of things!

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:17 AM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned that the best dancefloor 'staccato moves' that i can show off on the dancefloor are north american.You see?I know more than all of you stashed in one MacDonalds's Big Mac.Wooooooo!!

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
aka yr just a worthless peice of shit with the time to actually learn such nonsense.

you keep learning yr dance moves.
Punk Rock!Punk Rock!

Glice 12.15.2006 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by porkmarras
I'm surprised nobody mentioned that the best dancefloor 'staccato moves' that i can show off on the dancefloor are north american.You see?I know more than all of you stashed in one MacDonalds's Big Mac.Wooooooo!!

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Originally Posted by Captain Can o' worms
It's a black thing though, innit?

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porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Glice
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Oh i get you!

Glice 12.15.2006 10:32 AM
Yeah, but only because it was hip and cool to do so for ten minutes. Didn't you get the memo?

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
has anyone ever eaten feces out of a trash can?

 


Punk Rock!Punk Rock!

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:41 AM
I'm just making fun of you,that's all.I have nothing to defend myself against as it happens so i don't know what you're on about,Mr Argumentforthesakeofit.

sonicl 12.15.2006 10:47 AM
Hate? Good Lord, there are only two people in the world that I hate, and neither of them are people I've come across on an internet forum.

Sleep well.

porkmarras 12.15.2006 10:56 AM
He means he loves us.And so do we.Amen.

sonicl 12.15.2006 11:00 AM
He told me he loved me in another thread yesterday. He hasn't sent any flowers yet, and hopefully it'll stay that way.

jon boy 12.15.2006 11:00 AM
i like that call on me song by eric prydze.

Washing Machine 12.15.2006 12:38 PM
Your Totally right Sonicl. I think its because 'North' America has such a culture of classification, everyone has to fit into a catagory. You read through the pages on this site and sometimes it appears people are scared shitless to name bands they like that are not 'Indie'. Like if a band actually writes a real melody, they are suddenly not cool. I don't understand why you should be 'ashamed' to listen to anything. Some people need to stop taking things so seriously and lighten up...It takes a miserable sod not to go to the local rock club and be able to enjoy singing 'Helena' with their friends. As I said, either I have the most amazing, open minded friends or this musical snobbory is not so much a part of British culture.

Not intended to start an argument, just an observation

hirsute_biped 12.18.2006 01:42 PM
i was given a cassette copy of THRILLER for an early birthday, and ruined both it and my fisher price children's model tape player by trying to listen to it underwater in the bathtub (both the tape player and my head underwater).


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