Originally Posted by !@#$%!

it is a mistake to think of this in terms of political horse races or to think of them as an upside to this catastrophe

it's like saying katrina was good cuz it was bad for bush. no. well yes but no.

unless you believe in human sacrifices to quell infernal forces

Originally Posted by Skuj

I don't take any joy in anything Trump does. The world is a much worse place with him as POTUS. But if he is going to trip himself up, and maybe not be the POTUS for 8 years, then I can at least be happy about that aspect of things.

Originally Posted by Skuj

Undoing the damage that Trump has/will cause will be an enormous task, even if he doesn't kill Obamacare.

He clearly hates Obama, and is willing to do anything to get rid of Obama's legacy......even if it means having no plan B. He has blinders on, and the Grand Old Party doesn't seem to give a fuck.

But whatever mistakes that Trump can make that will actually shorten is Presidency? Bring 'em on, because maybe the total damage will be lessened.

Originally Posted by tesla69

Free Julian Assange!

Originally Posted by ilduclo

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I don't know who Mike Lee is, and I don't really care, but this is final boss level trolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fLd0duzT6g

"Taun Tauns, Mr President"

Originally Posted by Skuj

Hardly anyone talking about Mueller now. Isn't it great? :) As a "Dem" I couldn't be happier.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

This is because those who understand the law have known the outcome all along. It’s the narrative I’ve been repeating here for the past year.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

so you're a expert in the law and have known the future all along, or did you just gamble and win?

i think the second... but ok

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Russia might be smarter than anyone thought!!!

A) NO evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump campaign.

B) IF collusion did occur, IT’s NOT ILLEGAL

C) Special Counsels are appointed to persu KNOWN CRIMES and NOT to go seeking after “possible” crimes......technically, seeking crimes is a violation of Special Counsel laws.

......so much freaking wasted time!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

AA) thank you, Skuj, for confirming my A). My first two words were, “No Evidence.” After all this time and money, Mueller has produced NOTHING. It sounds like you think he eventually will......better grab some popcorn while you wait.

BB) ummmm, now you are confusing me......where did I say I didn’t have a problem with colluding? Not once have I said I’m in favor of, agree with or recommend it. However, collusion isn’t illegal and that’s the truth! Also, if collusion was illegal......why would Muller need to keep investigating???

CC) I totally agree and I believe that is what will end up happening!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Seriously?

Two years and millions of dollars later....NOTHING has been proven or charges filed because of phraseology?

Ok......how about the term: criminality? Can we agree on this term??

This isn’t the same as Attorney General Loretta Lynch directing the FBI's investigation to say “matter," rather than “investigation.”

I believe this is only my 5th post in this entire thread. I’m not trying to debate or convince anyone to see things my way. I find it laughable that someone (maybe many) put me on their ignore list simply because I have a different point of view.

I believe Trump will have easily won his second term and collusion/conspiracy/criminality or anything else will NOT have been proven. I’ve got my popcorn and I’m watching the investigation......and waiting for NOTHING to happen!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Not once did I say or imply or say that Trump is above the law.


After the

informant

wire tapping

report the Clinton’s created and gave to the FBI

There is Nothing-ZERO-No evidence that the Trump campaign
colluded with the Russians.





We have a Judge in Virginia cracking the judicial whip at the Department Of Justice demanding to know what the DOJ is up to because they are soooooo outside the scope of what they are authorized to investigate......me, myself and I consider what they are doing a Witch Hunt.

So two plus years and millions later and Muller is growing tired of being worked over by the judicial whip......the investigation is dead in the water and Muller is so desperate, his team makes contact with Rudy Giuliani to confirm that a sitting President cannot be indicted.

Didn’t Bill Clinton teach us that 20 years ago?

I could be 100% wrong, but I believe President Donald Trump will not be impeached and he will easily win re-election.

While I understand some in Congress are saying they have evidence that Russia wanted Trump to win over Hillary......and possibly Russia colluded with someone to help this happen:

A) you haven’t seen this evidence.

B) as I stated above, Nothing-ZERO-No evidence that the Trump campaign colluded.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Symbols, I admire your willingness to wait, it’s all we can do.

All I’m pointing out is so far there is no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded.

Evidently Congress has information that Russia colluded with someone?? Guess what, they probably did.

The question is, who???

President Obama

Hillary Clinton or her campaign

Anyone else??????

All we know so far is there is not one single shred of evidence linking President Trump or his campaign.

****BREAKING NEWS****

Once Congress reveals who colluded—GUESS WHAT—there is no evidence that it had any impact on the election or that Donald Trump won because of it.

Last but not least, as I’ve stated previously in this thread......from my meager understanding of the law......colluding isn’t a crime.

Everyone have a great weekend!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

ZERO GUILTY PLEADS for colluding with the Russians or rigging an election!!!

************************************************** *************

For those of you who live outside this country and for the rest who are American citizens and have evidently forgotten what you should’ve learned in Jr. High, let’s look at how our government works.

President Donald Trump: “i’ve done no wrongdoing, but I have the power to pardon myself if I so choose.”

President Donald Trump‘s lawyers notified Robert Muller......under the constitution, there is no way a sitting President could obstruct any investigation.

WHY?

President Of The United States
Executive Branch
Justice Department
FBI


The Justice Department appointed Robert Muller to head up the investigation. Because any sitting President is “Boss” over the Executive Branch, the President can shut down Justice Department & FBI investigations. President Donald Trump could fire Robert Muller today and there is nothing illegal or impeachable for doing so. This is also true if the President chose to cut off funding to an investigation. The Boss has final say!

Soooo......what does our Government have in place to investigate a sitting President?

***Legislative Branch***

The legislative branch has the power and authority to appoint their own special counsel. Under The Constitution, the President has NO AUTHORITY over this special counsel. If any President attempted to stop or influence the Legislative investigation......that would be an impeachable offense!

NEWSFLASH: The United States legislature HAS NOT appointed a special prosecutor. The legislature isn’t investigating ANYTHING!!!

Typically, when the FBI has, ZERO-Nothing-NADA evidence against you, they’re only option is to try and find where you may have somehow obstructed justice...... but as I explained above, the United States Constitution clearly states that a President cannot obstruct any investigation under the legislative branch.

Class is dismissed!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

As we all spend the 4th of July living in the Promise Land, I figured it would a perfect time for a recap of the Muller investigation.

There was NEVER any plausible or credible evidence that President Donald Trump or his campaign EVER colaberated or colluded with Russia to help win the Presidency:

NO-NADA-ZERO Evidence

With NO evidence of crime to justify a criminal investigation (which is the most basic requirement for an investigation)......the FBI NEVER had anyone connecting President Donald Trump to anything!!!

Why is it we never heard a reporter ask:

“How Is Colussion A Crime?”

“Where Is It Written In The Criminal Codes?”

———IT’S NOT ILLEGAL———

Talking with Russia or ANY OTHER COUNTRY during a campaign is NOT ILLEGAL!!!

———HOWEVER———

making payments to foreigne Nationals IS ILLEGAL!!!
So is keeping a server in a closet with top secret information on it.

Hillbilly Clinton did these things!!!

Muller has lost all credibility and will soon lose his job and his investigation.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Skuj, my friend......how is it that you can be absolutely convinced that Muller will be really bad for Trump when you have absolutely nothing to base it on?

There is ZERO evidence and as you said, Muller hasn’t muttered a word or released a thing......so where-O-where does absolutely convinced come from?

Why is your distain toward our President consume you so?

Can you taste your bitterness?

Originally Posted by Skuj

There have been very strong and clear hints! The charges, the leaks, etc. I don't know how anybody can look at that and conclude what you are concluding.

My disdain for Trump comes from the fact that he is an ignorant, racist, misogynist, vindictive, narcissist, lying fucking asshole.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Note to self: please bump when appropriate!




Note to h8kurdt:

do you realize President Donald Trump is a Republican?

do you realize Russians were indicted for hacking and leaking Democratic emails?

do you realize Paragraph 4 - - - Lines 3 & 4 of the story you linked mention “possible collusion?”


ETHICS HANDBOOK OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
General Principles Of Ethical Conduct
Section 14 - - Item 14

“Employees should endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or ethical standards set forth in this part.

Weather particular circumstances create the appearance that the law or these standards have been violated shall be determined in the perspective of a reasonable person with knowledge of relevant facts.”


do you realize the Inspector General concluded that FBI Agent Peter Strzok created the “appearance of conflict.”

do you realize Strzok created the “appearance of conflict” by using FBI issued equipment (laptop/cellphone) to convey personal feelings.






You want to know why the above statement by Skuj is so important?

It’s because he reached an HONEST conclusion from the story h8kurdt shared and expressed it!

Why do I appreciate it so much???

Because NOT ONE Democrat who was in attendance during Peter Strzok hearing agreed that Strzok did anything wrong. Instead, they all applauded and backed Peter Strzok......and they looked foolish doing so!

I believe Skuj and others reading this are now realizing just how lost the Democratic Party is and how no apparent leader is on the horizon.

Russian Military Charged With Hacking DNC, Hillary Campaign,State Elections

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

I think President Donald Trump did an amazing job over in Helsinki and I applaud what he had to say! All the hatred and bitterness being spewed by so many is hard to comprehend. You can see them on the TV news 24 hours a day.

Of course, crappy Fox or Pathetic CNN aren’t in business to report the news......THEY ARE BROADCASTING OPINIONS!!!

ABC, CBS, NBC & FOX rarely practice investigative journalism. Anyone reading this chooses FOX or CNN because they want to hear their opinions validated!

Validation is what has led to such an outcry concerning President Donald Trump’s comments at the Summit.

Sooo......let’s take a look at what our Dear President said to the following two part question: every security branch we have (CIA. Director of National Intelligence) all say Russia sought to manipulate the election for a specific outcome, do you lay any responsibility at the feet of Russia?

President Donald Trump: “I hold both countries responsible. I think the United States has been foolish, I think we have all been foolish, we should have had this dialogue a long time ago......A long time before I got into office, and I think we are all to blame. I think the United States has now stepped forward along with Russia and we’re getting together and we have a chance to do some great things, whether it’s nuclear proliferation in terms of stopping, we have to do it!! I believe it’s the most important thing we can be working on. But I do feel that we both have made some mistakes, the probe is a disaster for our country. The main thing, and we discussed this also, ZERO COLLUSION!!! It has had a negative impact on the relationship of the two greatest nuclear powers in the world.”

John Brennan, the CIA Director under Obama, said the following: “President Donald Trump’s press conference in Helsinki rises and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors...it’s nothing short of treasonous.”

Do what? Who is John Brennan to make this claim and more importantly, where-o-where is ANY proof?

I don’t see any “high crimes” in President Donald Trump’s words??? All I hear is TRUTH!!!

TRUTH IS A POWERFUL THING!!!

One thing we can probably agree on......where goods cross boarders, armies do not!

Is Putin considered more vile and harmful than Kim Jong Un?

I’m guessing they are close to equal, but I could be wrong??

At any rate, how do you have such an easy going Summit with Kim Jong Un last month and dont at least attempt the same with Putin this month? The United States and Russia have had a contentious relationship for many years and Presidents......what happened in Helsinki has the potential to change the world.

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

It's actually not even worth arguing with you. People, when Trump said he could shoot someone on the street and not lose any voters, this is the very sort of person he was talking about.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

I never meant to imply what the social media platforms did was illegal. So perhaps saying “concerted effort” instead of “collusion” will suffice?

With the firing of Peter Strzok, I’m more convinced than ever there is absolutely no proof of collusion or interference between Russia and the Donald Trump campaign!



Not only will Muller come out and say that the Donald Trump campaign is no longer the focus of the investigation......because of Peter Strzok and his testimony before Congress and 100% part of the reason Muller fired Strzok......Robert Muller will be forced to reveal that all his evidence indicates that it was Hillary Clinton with assistance from President Obama who colluded with Russia......and get ready for it, exchanged payments with Russia all in an effort to keep Donal Trump from being President.

Also, Court Marshall’s are coming in the near future!!!

The investigative winds are starting to blow from Salt Lake City, skuj, Better pop some more popcorn!!!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Skuj, my Sonic Friend......staying away for a period of time just might be the answer. Truth is a powerful thing and like Jack Nicholson said, “you can’t handle the truth.”

The bitterness in this thread is becoming extra thick and bitterness can slowly destroy a person from the inside. Also, it could be from eating too much popcorn.

One suggestion would be to visit one of the other three rooms here at SYG. Post about what music you’ve been listening to......and if you haven’t been listening to any, that could be part of your problem. Also, in Non-Sonic Sounds I started a thread about the new SWANS book. Did you even know about the book? I included a link of a review.

But truly stay away from this thread because it’s not going to get any better. The Muller investigation is slowly imploding while the Salt Lake City investigation into Hillary Clinton is building momentum.

You see, it was Peter Strzok who quickly cleared Hillary Clinton from any wrong doing, when she set up a server that contained highly classified information in a janitors closet......simply because she wanted to operate and control things without the Government knowing. There is 100% proof that payments were exchanged between Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, the Clinton Foundation and RUSSIA!!!

And that JACK-ASS John Brennan, who was Director of the CIA when this was happening opened his mouth and vomited stupidity saying President Donald Trumps “words” at a Summit with Putin equaled “High Crimes and Treason.”
Another thing that happened under Brennan’s watch......Hillary Clinton sold uranium to Russia.

And Skuj, if you’re sick and full of bitterness now, just wait until you start hearing terms like, “fruit of the poisonous tree” concerning Peter Strzok and everything he pissed on. So inept that Robert Muller fired him and so pathetic before his Congressional Hearing that the FBI fires him for cause.

You see, even if Robert Muller has anything of substance regarding Donald Trumps campaign and Russia meddling or collusion (must be careful when I use the word -collusion- because symbols will jump my azz), and I’ll say it again, I don’t believe Muller has anything at all, it’s hard to imagine any court allowing that evidence to be used because of “fruit from the poisonous tree.”

And it will be Peter Strzok’s testimony that the Salt Lake City / soon to be a full on probe into Hillary Clinton that will have Strzok pointing to then President Obama as why Strzok did the things he did......not only was he being directed by Obama, President Obama dismissed it all.

YES - the TRUTH is coming and I’m afraid, Skuj, you can handle the TRUTH!!!

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

YES - I did forget......was that really in 2015?

Such hatred for Ted Cruz??
I’ll be voting for him next month!



NO - you show me!

Because you can go back to the beginning of this thread and you won’t find me banging the drum for anyone.

Matter of fact, I was 99% absent from this thread until March/April of this year and it’s mostly been about procedure, evidence and the process in general.

I shared my opinions which are generally conservative.

You’ll see where many here have cursed me and called me an idiot, but you won’t find where I’ve attacked anyone or made it personal.

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

In the world of: “put your money where your mouth is,” I’ll gladly let my SYG post speak for themselves!!!


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