Goddammit Rob.

ETA: Wrong thread. We have another place where we discuss the fringe sci-fi you're not reading.

if that britbox has offline access i might try it for a month or two

Jodie Whitaker...hmm, well, I hope the writers are replaced as well..

imagine if they made the Doctor a half-jamaican, half-arab woman!

man, red oaks is getting so good

soderbergh is exec producer for the series and the episode i watched today was directed by hal hartley

entertaining and nothing heavy but fucking great

Moffatt is standing down as producr and being replaced by Chris Chibnall so I imagine new writers will come in.

Watched the first 2 eps of Young Pope on the HBO. weird.

Oh! I fucking LOVED that! Keep watching. It really is like House of Cards in Twin Peaks version of the Vatican. Doesn't get any less weird, but I gobbled that shit right up!

And Chibnall worked on Broadchurch (sooooo fucking dour!) with Whittaker (who was pretty much loathsome, but maybe that was just her character?).

He also worked on Torchwood, which makes me think we might actually be getting a much darker Doctor.

I don't know much about him but I hope he'll be an improvement on Moffatt, who started OK, I think, but ended up moving too close to comedy with Capaldi.

Have you seen the most recent season?

I ended up really liking Capaldi. Didn't at first, but he grew on me. Plus he looks quite a bit like Brady now that he's older.

Anyway, the most recent season had some dreary moments for sure. The scope was fairly cinematic, and the ratio of winner episodes to duds was high (xmas special and "Smile" were the only real duds). I really enjoyed it. And I think Moffatt has fairly good instincts when it comes to big, season-spanning story arcs.

Seriously, Missy is probably the best new addition to the show in years.

Broadchurch is a good show (Tennant! Also the chick who played Gwen in Torchwood plays an altogether loathsome sociopath) but the tone is sooooo fucking dour. Like it's setting out to rip you a new emotional asshole by forcing you to enoathize with the worst fucking people, and the only good folks are constantly raked over the coals. It's rough I tells ya!

Game of Thrones has JUMPED THE SHARK! 4 wasted pointless, boring minutes focused on a translator and a eunuch trying to dry-hump? BORING. An entire ARMADA of creaking wooden sailing ships SNEAKS up to another fleet of boats? Enough to actually ram them? NO ONE SAW THEM COMING?? Ridiculous. The dialogue is SHIT now (since the show-runner are now making up shit since they have passed the writing of the series author). who is with me?

I actually think he was far better than a lot of the scripts Moffatt gave him, but sometimes, when the two came together (Heaven Sent?) it was great.

I feel the same about Clara. Everyone seemed to hate her but I thought she had the potential to be one of the great companions. I just don't think Moffatt really knew what to do with her. Neil Gaiman seemed to have a far better grip on her character.


Completely agree.

... Also, news in that the new companion is gonna be Kris Marshall, who was actually a front runner to be the next doctor. I can see why he would've fitted the Dr role but personally I can't stand him. So when Whittacker was announced my 1st thoughts were, at least it's not Kris fucking Marshall. And now this!

EDIT: It turns out it's actually just a rumour. (Here's hoping.)

Game of Thrones has JUMPED THE SHARK! 4 wasted pointless, boring minutes focused on a translator and a eunuch trying to dry-hump? BORING. An entire ARMADA of creaking wooden sailing ships SNEAKS up to another fleet of boats? Enough to actually ram them? NO ONE SAW THEM COMING?? Ridiculous. The dialogue is SHIT now (since the show-runner are now making up shit since they have passed the writing of the series author). who is with me?

Don't you know everything is all set up this season? Since they are splitting the episodes, and going 7 episodes this year and 7 episodes next year, every episode this year will be set up for the last seven episodes of the series. If you want are major development, upon major development, and/or resolution you've been watching the wrong series.

all set up = BORING.

what is missing is George Martin's words, his dialogue, which was the best part of the show. Starting last season the tv show is ahead of the text, so they are using standard TV trope exposition dialogue (WHICH I FUCKING HATE) instead of the great dialogue of season's past. It makes Daneryris sound even stupider than the shit acting by Emilia Clarke makes her look.
It makes everyone's speech sound like it was written by the same dialogue-writing algorithm. fuck it was BORING.

Haven't seen last night's episode but if that is true that's bad news for the creators of the show. Up until last season they've had Martin there himself to probably go over scripts and has probably been able to say Tyrion wouldn't say that, Jon Snow wouldn't say that, etc. I think he's said he's had little input this season cause he's been focusing on his own writing. Doesn't bode well for the creators of the show, if they can't stick the landing to Game of Thrones it will probably be seen as the one of the biggest let downs. Not to mention they aren't winning favors by announcing their "What if the South Won the Civil War" show last week.

Everyone forgets that there was one black character in GoT, the pirate, who left and was never heard from again. hahahahahha.


everyone in fantasy novels is always so goddamned white. even the black slaves of the Unsullied are at BEST, high yellow.....


show about white folks doing magic = fantasy! sword & sorcery! How fun!!!!

show about black folks doing magic = voodoo! cannibalism! Satan! Satan! SATAN!!!!!

hahaha

Just ranting.

I will not post spoilers about GoT, for those who still need to watch it, but ravens now fly at light-speed, the white walker army is marching at a pace of just 1/5 of a mile each day, and then resting for two weeks, even though a wildling girl dragging along an ever-stretching cripple boy/man managed to make it to the Wall in like a day? Supposedly weeks have passed between last week episode and this weeks and all the Northern Lords are still sitting around at Winterfell just chillin and talking? for weeks? and then Jon Snow says, "fuck it, " I am going to ride for days, to a port that will let me sail so that in a few weeks I can get to where I am going." but he will be there first thing next week's show.....

Once Martin was out of the picture the greatness slid into serviceableness. It's just people standing around describing plot points that a better series would SHOW. Never say what you can show is the first rule of visual drama. GoT is now saying all, and showing nothing.

Is he that ginger chap? I saw some "story" about the next doctor being a ginger chap several months ago. And the Doctor's always wanted to be a ginger, so that would have been nice, but I didn't like the dude's face.

ginger is brown on outside and yellow on inside. why do brits call RED haired folk ginger?

My guess is they confused it with turmeric, which looks the same as ginger but is orange. Ha!

hahahah! calling redheads Turmeric would not be too funny I guess.

it's not a Brit thing. I'm not a Brit. Ever seen that South Park episode about Cartmen trying to exterminate the ginger kids and then becoming ginger (thanks to hijinks)? It's American vernacular too.

I have no idea why that's the case, but that's the case. Slang etymology is shaky.

Bahaha!!! But I want to now! Let's do that!

Aw man. That's great stuff.

that cartman shit was taken straight from the Brit use of "ginger" to describe redheads.

americans did not say that shit until it was heard from a Brit.

here's a funny article on GoT.

http://www.portlandmercury.com/portl...t?oid=12111961

• At some point Martin must have gone on a trip to the Everglades, breathed in the heady Florida air, and thought, "Man, I could really go for some vagina right now." That is the only reason I can think of why, in A Feast for Crows, he calls a lady's bits a "Myrish swamp."

• "The hair at the juncture of her thighs a brighter red than that on her head. Does that make it even luckier?" No, Jon Snow. Ygritte's pubes are not a rabbit's foot. You know nothing, Jon Snow.

• Nipples of massive girth, darkness, and circumference: Martin is obsessed with them. The same woman of Myrish swamp fame (congrats, Taena Merryweather!) also has "big dark nipple[s]," while one of the Martell ladies has "huge dark nipples" that are also "responsive." A hooker's nipples are "fat" and "brown," while another pair of nipples are "wide pink circles." "Her nipples were two black diamonds, her sex slick and steamy," Martin writes at one point. And at least one knight gets a nipple shout-out: "Her fingers found his nipples," Martin notes, "pinching till he spent his seed within her."

• When Samwell Tarly of the Night's Watch finally makes an oopsie and forgets his vow of chastity, Martin describes Sam's penis as a "fat pink mast." Sam is fat, so his cock is also fat, because that's how penises work. Does Sam's mast have little sails on it? Is his cock the driving force behind some kind of sex boat? I think that's what's going on here. Maybe he can sail into a Myrish swamp!


I thought the latest episode was way too talky and I don't really like the Pilou Asbæk character. Did that one with a paint roller. WTF

Piloiu asbaek?

martin is laughing all the way to the bank. he will uotdo the TV show with his forthcoming novels.

danish actor, uncle of the captain of the fleet. He was good in Borgen

Hahahahahahaa

I read the books, and enjoyed them despite the fact that all of this ^^^ is 100% true, on-point criticism. It's like a soap opera for dudes, I guess. Not that dudes can't like soap operas, or ladies can't like GoT, but that's just what it fucking is. We pay attention for the depravity. Also, some of the characters have moments where I don't hate them and want them to die (mostly Tyrion), so that's nice she that happens.

I don't watch the show because I don't do the unnecessary rape thing. I watched 1.5 seasons and was all raped out, and apparently the true raping had not yet even begun. Raping in the show when the sex is consensual in the book (Cersei and Jaime)? Fuck that fucking shit in the ass with a big ass sword.

No point in watching if they're detracting from the books. Why are they doing that? Because we're stupid and we're fickle and we watch no matter what, and they need to keep the vermin fed.

GoT is gross. But I'll totally be reading Winds of Winter if that fucker ever comes out.

So? Americans say it. End of fuckery.

finished Young Pope. Cool show. I love self-consistent stories. I do not see how someone without ecclesiastical or theological knowledge can get the full hit of this show. very cool stuff.

the only "Americans" that say "ginger" in reference to redheads are sad pathetic anglophiles!!!!

Well, that's just not true skank. "Ginger" has been assimilated into the nomenclature. Shush.

Also, there is never any need for four exclamation points unless you're trying to be ludicrous.

Yeah, I think that might be why it was kind of slept on by many average HBO viewers. Me, I'm Irish Roman Catholic, so it was like watching House of Cards to me. I loved it.

I also loved the musical choices. The Recondite song that was used as Lenny's "theme" was picked by someone who knows exactly how to balance out a score, and pick a song with the perfect amount of bite and tension to accompany that character. I can't imagine the music supervisor for that show not being an extreme badass.

I am the son of an Episcopal priest. That, and my obsessive reading, helped me grasp a lot of the show. VERY cool fucking music choices on the show.

Another recommendation I just watched is The Daemons. From the Pertwee era, and not necessarily in the very top tier quality-wise but pure trademark Dr Who, and one of my favourite stories revolving around The Master.

Also, growing up during the Tom Baker era, I'll always have a soft spot for him but I can see myself edging more and more towards Jon Pertwee. If anything his interpretation seems a lot closer to someone like Doctor Strange. (Reason #4537 why Benedict Cumberbatch was born to play the part).

Anyway, yeah, if The Daemons is on Netflix you could do an awful lot worse.

I'd say Kris Marshall is more strawberry blonde.

Hey look! We agree on two things! :D

Isn't Pertwee's son the guy who plays Alfred on Gotham? A 50-something chap who was in, umm, Midsummer Murders or something?

Anyway, I actually rather strongly disagree about Cumberbach now that I think on it. He doesn't have the zaniness necessary to be the Doctor. And he's already taken on so many legacy characters it's kind of getting ridiculous. Strange, Khan, Sherlock, probably some others...

I think Sir Ian Macellan would do just wonderfully in a big trans-Atlantic blockbuster directed by, say, Christopher Nolan :D OR... Michael Cain? Eh? Two cracking good choices for a big deal film that needed real star power.

My favorite Doctor is Tenant, but I really like Smith and Capaldi and also Baker and Pertwee though I've seen not a ton of the latter. I think Tennant just had some of the best 1-2 episode stories in Who history. Smith had some truly epic *arcs* about that lasted from beginning of one season to... well... the end of, like, two seasons later... and he did an excellent job with the character, but he didn't really offer anything strikingly different from Tennant, except for a fez and a bow tie and a childlike sense of innocence, but all in all I think Tennant could have nailed most Smith episodes.

Capaldi brought some great new emotions and layers, and some stupid new sunglasses and electric guitars into the mix. Toss out the guitars and I think he was Fucking awesome. Especially when he was mean as shit. Why didn't that last longer? The mean-as-shitness?