Dead-Air, I'm actually talking about that one Glenn Branca track which is just John Cage talking about Branca for like 30 minutes and saying how terrible he is. Cage sounded like a pompous dickhead. I've only heard one other interview with Cage besides that and he seemed like a dick. No big deal, just sayin'.

Huh, I'd never heard of that track. I always find that sort of thing unfortunate when one artist spends a lot of energy dissing another. I can see where you're coming from then. Is it on a particular Branca album?

Yeah, I'm with you on that... I think the point I was making is that criticising noise at this point in history is a bit like the Daily Mail 'modern art isn't art' brigade. It's here, it's art, deal with it. It's fine to not like it, but dismissing it entirely is just critically rubbish. I'm more trying to undermine the reverence of noise fans rather than trying to explain what's good about it.

There was this really awesome industrial (as in EN style, not NIN style) band in Seattle in the late '80s to early '90s called the Metaphonics, and they had this hilarious song called, "I don't know what I like, but I know what art is!"

For some tangential reason, your post reminded me of that (though I'm going even further off topic now...)

I think they are all pompous dickheads. it is part of being avant garde in NYC. you have to be an asshole or something. hahahah!

DID I ALREADY MENTION THAT JOHN CAGE DID THIS?

Dead-Air, you can read about the track here:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...ight=john+cage

It also reminded me that John Cage hated Harry Partch, the most innovative composer maybe ever.

the most innovative composer ever was Johannes Sebastian Bach.

and he was rocking his shit 400 yers ago damnit!

i dunno if the term "ROCK HIS SHIT" really apllies to JS Bach.

ha ha
o well

MOZART ROCKS MY COCK!!!!

true, I'm just not a huge fan is all I'm trying to say, not my thing.

Listen man, I'm one of the most excepting of people's opinions on here, and I constantly am pointing out that people should listen to whatever the hell they want, you on the other hand seem to attack anyone who brings up a band or whatever that isn't commonly discussed on here. Listen, I am not trying to call you out, you write thing I find fun to read sometimes. But you consistently call me out and talk shit when everyone else just gives a decent response to the thread. I don't hate anything really, even music I don't like, I seldom say I hate, except for the later Cure albums. Right now, I'm listening to Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance", before that, the newish Skaters LP, before that Van Morrison's "Veedon Fleece". You don't have much right calling me out as someone who doesn't love the music I speak on or write on, shit you don't even know me, man.

That's the whole point I'm trying to make. With Noise there isn't anything really definitive. The average Noise review is just surrealistic mumbo jumbo. The music is very personal and therefore difficuilt to write from an objective standpoint. It's easier to write on how Noise makes you feel personally than what the music actually does.

this is too rough, play nice.
who in hell are you to give people this kind of shit????!!!!

Ha. That's as fitting a phrase for my tombstone as any...

actually.... *start being a music snob*
but while bach was brilliant, he was not considered to be a very innovative composer for his time. his true brilliance was he took inspiration from all kinds of music from opera to 16th century counterpoint (ars antiiqua)
im not saying that he wasnt great. but as for pure innpovations there were much more innovative composers before him.

the most innovative composer ever was Cro-Magnon.

and he was rocking his shit 40000 yers ago damnit!

But Bach is better than anyone else, we're agreed on that, right?

Actually, Radio 3 seems to be exploring the non-J.S Bachs lately, and I'm developing a fondness for CPE. Should I worry?

yeah Bach was conventional in his time, just really really brethtakingly good.

shut the fuck up.

Isn't that true about any music? Anyway, apart from this nonsense, this forum could seriously do with people who specialise in something and really know their shit, instead of this continuous incoherent drivel.