My father was raised Catholic, my mother was raised Lutheran.

My parents pretty much raised me to be Christian, but not in line with any church. I have a rather negative outlook on churches because they all seemed to be preaching a distorted Christ. I've always thought of Christ as tolerant, loving, and ultimately forgiving, but in every church I've seen lack of tolerance, hatred, judging, and damnation. But I think that might not just be the church, I think that might just be fucking humankind in general.

True that!
Also, I like the fact that many religions are truly Christian (i.e. believe in God). I like it because apparently many Catholics think they are first on God's list because they believe in God "the most."

good bumper sticker: Hate is not a family value.

And what is unclear, vague, or ambiguous about 'thou shalt not kill'

Everything. Taken to its most extreme, its impossible and contradictory.

What is the life that can be killed?

No risk at all because, shying some context, I have no idea what you mean.

Hope you don't mind.

What Catholics do you know? The Catholic condition that I grew up with was the complete polar opposite. Catholic guilt, and all.

Then again, a lot of traditional Catholicism has been tainted by that even more repulsive born-again trash.

I want to make it clear, though, that I absolutely oppose this assumption that the source of this apparent army of the faithless from Catholicism is necessarily originates in its oppressive sexuality. That may be a comfortable idea for the remaining faithful to consider the lot to be carnal hedonists but they're wrong.

If anything, I've met lapsed Catholics that are more spiritually awake than your most fundamentalist believers of any faith.

Turning atheist for me wasn't anything to do with oppressive views of catholicism or the church, it just seemed like
the most natural way of thinking when I've adopted Marxism . I can't really claim to have had particularly bad experiences with any religious people of any faith either.

Roman Catholic, although all my family is perfectly atheist.
I don't even remember now how I turned up to have a faith.

I remember. You were strapped for cash and started a thread in which you sold your soul to the highest bidder. In the last few seconds of the auction the Vatican managed to outbid me by 20 cents.

Wonder what would have happened if you had won?

Oh, I'm just a soul broker. You know, trying to make a small profit here and there.

Fair. It's all to do with the impossibility of escaping the epistemic, and what the notion of 'orthodoxy' means in that context. I tend to think of theism as the prima facie of epistemics, but I've no intention of arguing about it on a messageboard.

I just don't understand how someone thinks unified christianity would improve the world in any sense. Wasn't it a bit worse and more intolerant before?

I can't stop thinking that religion should be a private thing. I don't see the point of preaching it to someone who's not really asking for it. (I am not talking about anyone here).

If you really wanna improve the world, stop mixing religious bias with politics and laws, that's gonna be work for generations anyway.

Humans love to belong.

inhumans hate to belong

good logic. not necessarily true tho.

"christian" does NOT mean you believe in god.

It means you believe, SPECIFICALLY, that Jesus Christ was the one and only incarnate Son of God, that he was God made man here on Earth, and that his "sacrifice" redeemed all humans from all sins from the beginning of time to the end of time.

very different than believeing in "GOD"

my mother is Lutheran.

I'm a monotheistic pagan.

I hope this helps.


tell that to Dr. Frankenstein's monster; or, say, the lion, the tinman and that little dog.