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I know what you mean. I just like shit that I like.
I'll go and buy a JoJo cd and not give a shit what poeple think. Though my friends are always dogging me about it. Yet I also like noise. I'm not afraind to say things that I do are easy, becuz I enjoy doing them. Personally I wouldn't pay more than $20 for a painting no matter who did it. |
Heh. While reading the latest responses, my mom is in the next room blasting Nickelback.
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first off, i in no way want to associate noise with the art world and that was not my intention, just drawing a parallel and using an analogy. i am glad that rick mention low/no brow noise, which i think the majority of it is. the conception that noise is restricted to hipsters, elitists, art students, art galleries, and is inheritly pretentious and high brow is misguided.
i dont remember exactly how i worded it, but i didnt mean that my sister brings home pieces of the same caliber of jackson pollock (not that i nessicarily think he is super high caliber), but the same technique and style. |
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You are probably right about the misguided part, but at least in my area, that is all it is, stuff for the hipsters, elitists, etc, etc, etc... so I can't help but see it that way most of the time. And I didn't mean to harp on Pollock so specifically, it was just the name brought up, so it worked for all of my analogies :) |
I don't know about where you live but here being in a noise band isn't likely to move you up the social ladder.
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In your area, there is Realicide. Go see a Realicide show. So many people call people they don't like "hipsters" and "elitists"...I've seen a dude wailin' free jazz in the most boring swim trunks and flip-flops from Long's Drugs, and when the local alt-weekly wrote about it, they called him a "hipster." Why? Who could be any less hip than that guy? He was the complete opposite of hip. Throwing the "hipster" tag around too much makes one look insecure. I think Realicide is a pretty incredible experience. I saw them here in Sacto with Vankmen, and it was outstanding. Perhaps the very most PUNK thing I've seen all year. And it was on tour with Kevin Shields and Gabbertree...two of the most unpretensious "noise-out-and-have-fun" acts you can ever hope to see. They'd be happy to explain the process of their noisemaking. Very accessible when it comes to sharing. |
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Yeah, noise dudes aren't hip at all; they're some of the most repulsive freakish people I've ever seen. Myself included; I'm going bald at 21! Noise isn't about style or hipness or elitism. It's about being fucking SKRONKTASTIC. |
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I think that the fact that a lot of noise makers have a hard time elevating their music to an art form is very much their downfall. If some noisy sounds are to be pleasant to the ear and that's it, I might as well listen to those that I hear everyday in my enviroment and be done with it. Really, why spend £5 on some second-class racket that has a sense of guilt about existing in the shape of a musical artefact, when I can listen to some birds singing to me while a chainsaw is making a racket in the distance? You tell me why.
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Because noise artists put the birds singing through a delay pedal and the chainsaw through a circuit bent phaser pedal?...
Oh. Actually, I don't have a reason. I guess it's the question of why do I like "silver sessions" or Sunn O)))? I can make feedback, I can play any Sunn O))) riff; it's not like what they're doing is particularly musically special . It just so happens that the birds aren't ALWAYS singing, so if I decide I want to listen to them sing, they've been conveniently collected on a CD for me to listen to. But don't mistake me for defending noise. Most of it's shit, but I'm glad it exists. |
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My point is that unless you make a racket that I can take seriously, it's like, whatever. The market for birds singing has been thriving for some time, so noise is nothing new to those feathery creatures.  |
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you have to look at the progression of his art in context with what the forefront of american artists were doing back then, the desire after the horror of World War II to paint in a new way. They said that after WWII painting in the old way was pointless. pollock did what NOONE had done, and just because it is seemingly easy to create something similar, does not discredit the beauty of the original works. what are Pollock, Motherwell, DeKooning, Kline, etc. other than art "noise" in a very real sense? Motherwell is everything |
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this has nothing to do with artist's making art and everytthing to do with the power of suggestion and pre-conceived ideas. Judge not the art or the artist byt the responses of the horde. |
realicide rules insanely. i booked them here and was supposed to play but ended up being out of town, still have yet to see them. not really noise though, just closely aligned with the noise scene and incorporates some elements of noise.
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Yeah, realicide's dude's other band HENTAI LACERATOR is playing here soon; i think scissor shock is playing that show with 'em. Can't wait! Bloomington, Indiana, whoo.
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Where does The Ascension by Glenn Branca fit into the "noise" debate? I have it, and i love it very much.
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Another golden thread.
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hentai lacerator pwns!!!! covered in fun is fucking amazing.
robert doesn't consider either realicide or hentai lacerator as noise, he says it's more like crazy hardcore. |
Ikara, did you read my mind? That was my pick for the next classics album thread that I do..
Anyway, it's considered "modern classical with prepared guitars", though a noise influence is definitely prevalent. It's like Fred Frith - Guitar Solos; it's honestly just noise mostly (though it's great!), but you know.. it's "modern composition" ! |
Everyneurotic, it was confirmed about an hour ago that scissor shock/hentai lacerator is playing together in a few weeks. Come up for it :)
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i wish man, i wish.
my editor read yesterday my review of covered in fun and bursted out laughing when he read "40 songs in 14 minutes". good thing i left out that every song title contains the word "suck" have fun. |
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quite cool avatar, sir. I think Dr. Avalanche would approve. |
noise sux
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see, i dont know how to classify it. But the title track makes me cry. Its the only instrumental piece to make me do so. And "noise" is seen as such an academic genre... all i know is that album is incredible |
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I'm all for Andy and the Doktor, THE SISTERS rule!
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American Noise Rocks, according to Cock ESP.
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cock esp rocks.
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I enjoy a melody
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Everytime I listen to noise, I think "Wow, anyone could do this" or "This might be cool if there was a visual (like a movie playing)"
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So what do you think about Sonic Youth? |
Sonic Youth isn't noise nor do you have to like noise to listen to Sonic Youth.
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That is one of the biggest fallacies ever. In almost all their songs they incorporate noise into it. I agree you don't have to like noise, neither do I. But I guess this all comes into what you like. So maybe noise is not for you, but you can't dismiss it as something childish.
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