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jamboree 04.29.2009 11:00 PM

The album was just released 20 hours ago and you already have a set opinion on it? Come on bro, relax and see if it grows on ya. The first time I heard Loveless I hated it, it took me months to begin to appreciate the melodies and textures contained within.

Oh and the thread title is hilariously bad, try and work on that next time.

Kuhb 04.29.2009 11:14 PM

haha, its just funny to see a lot of 'established users' freaking out when they're flooded with new people.

"My empire!!!...my empire!!!!"

amerikangod 04.29.2009 11:29 PM

You guys are getting trolled by Jim hard.

static-harmony 04.30.2009 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuhb
haha, its just funny to see a lot of 'established users' freaking out when they're flooded with new people.

"My empire!!!...my empire!!!!"


Eh I don't care, the best users left a long time ago. I should have gone with them. Pookie where are you?

Palmer Eldritch 04.30.2009 01:03 AM

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[quote= I did not know Sonic Youth to make awful songs, except for the occasional clunker ("Pink Steam," "Lights Out," "Hits of Sunshine" all being more boring than terrible).[/QUOTE]

'Hits of Sunshine' boring? Wow, you lost me there. I've been obsessed by that song for years. And if Monday's show at the Scala was anything to go by SY are peaking again. For about the 30th time.:)

I'm excited all over again by them.

_slavo_ 04.30.2009 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by static-harmony
Eh I don't care, the best users left a long time ago.


oh come on. don't you remember that night and the abandoned parking lot?

modestmarc 04.30.2009 06:57 AM

Bands like Fiery Furnaces or Animal Collective bore me to death, SY or Dinsaur Jr still rock!

barnaclelapse 04.30.2009 07:03 AM

I disagree as well, but I will say it's definitely pretty decently written and put together.

atsonicpark 04.30.2009 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
the best users left a long time ago


A lot of my favorites are still here but they certainly don't post like they did. I'm thinking of leaving myself..... just need to find a good alternative to vent at first. I'm already posting at fangsandarrows.com, which talks about much better music than this place; unfortunately, there's no cool debating going on there. I occasionally post at Electrical Audio, and that place is the shit, except for the occasional Albini worship. I mean, I love Steve, but you wouldn't believe all the PJ Harvey nerds there. Finally, I have posted at noisefanatics for years; while everyone there is interesting and cool, it seems like everyone is also in their own little world. The setup of this board is great, as are some of the users, but just a few shitheads bring the whole experience down. Oh well. It's just a board.

Androol 04.30.2009 07:16 AM

finally skipped my first song

calming the snake

alex_could 04.30.2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by harlock_jds
first of all fuck pitchfork up the ass. Seriously why do i (or you or anyone) care what they say? I like it and i know as much as they do.

also it's interesting you say you "appreciate SY older records"... i take that to means that they are ok but when you listen to SY you listen to newer stuff like Washing machine and Sonic Nurse... 2 albums i 'appreciate' but can't really say i ' like' as much as their older stuff.

Or I may be reading too much into it since English isn't your primary language.


I have my own rate of course. I can't agree with their rate of Ghosts&Flowers. It's just interesting for me and that's all.

And you're right about my english, I listen to 80s albums "trilogy" with great pleasure.

alex_could 04.30.2009 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eli Renfro
Because it's just music, man. It's entertainment, not life and death.


If so, then it's not really important how weak The Eternal is.

candymoan 04.30.2009 10:49 AM

hey guys, The Eternal is an album of SONIC YOUTH...
remember?

i'm looking forward to enjoying it with a bottle of wine and on speakers - as opposed to the headphone setup i've got here at work..

i hate it when work gets in the way of my yoof indulgence..

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.30.2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
A lot of my favorites are still here but they certainly don't post like they did. I'm thinking of leaving myself..... just need to find a good alternative to vent at first. I'm already posting at fangsandarrows.com, which talks about much better music than this place; unfortunately, there's no cool debating going on there. I occasionally post at Electrical Audio, and that place is the shit, except for the occasional Albini worship. I mean, I love Steve, but you wouldn't believe all the PJ Harvey nerds there. Finally, I have posted at noisefanatics for years; while everyone there is interesting and cool, it seems like everyone is also in their own little world. The setup of this board is great, as are some of the users, but just a few shitheads bring the whole experience down. Oh well. It's just a board.


dude this place will really hit the shitter if you leave

candymoan 04.30.2009 10:57 AM

reviews are coming in..

http://thequietus.com/articles/01524...track-by-track

alex_could 04.30.2009 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candymoan
i'm looking forward to enjoying it with a bottle of wine and on speakers - as opposed to the headphone setup i've got here at work.


hope you'll be tipsy enough while listening to the 3rd song already :D

candymoan 04.30.2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by alex_could
hope you'll be tipsy enough while listening to the 3rd song already :D



looped it abut 5-6 times today, and have totally lost my drive to work..
enjoying the daydreams the album brings out....

Derek 04.30.2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jamboree
The album was just released 20 hours ago and you already have a set opinion on it? Come on bro, relax and see if it grows on ya. The first time I heard Loveless I hated it, it took me months to begin to appreciate the melodies and textures contained within.

Oh and the thread title is hilariously bad, try and work on that next time.

Best new user by far I think. If only for the Beat Happening name.

radical adult 04.30.2009 11:25 AM

All I have heard from eternal are the songs they played live in düsseldorf.

And this new stuff sounded great, the old pals were really into it & they have some new cool ideas & structures - of course without reinventing themselves totally. But man, this is not the madonna board.

sonic life everybody!

PAULYBEE2656 04.30.2009 12:32 PM

its a damn fine album..its no evol or daydream but we are never gonna get that again..the eternal is a solid sy album and i thank thee for it!

Johnny American 04.30.2009 06:36 PM

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Jef Mertens 04.30.2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny American
I'll take another Murray Street! Or Washing Machine! I don't think their best music was necessarily made 21 years ago when they were playing more exclusively with Glenn Branca and hardcore sounds! But then again, I don't want them to revisit anything, and certainly not in such a nearly self-parodying fashion as they do on this album.


I haven't even heard the album, yet laughing out loud!!!!
funnny funny shit. pfff

automatic bzooty 04.30.2009 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
Somebody post some emo poetry.

2009
the year
sonic youth
broke my <3

i cry all night
clutching my ipod
that my mommy bought me 4 christmas
i listened to the leak of the eternal
(((ugh, more like eternal heartbreaks...)))
two and a half times
the album... it made tears
leak
out of my eyeballs
& mess up
my intricate neon eye makeup
[via karen o./bjork/lovefoxxx, etc.]

it was like a thousand cute boys
broke up w/ me at once
(((my heart lies rather ripped in the shoebox where i hide all my old cds...
maybe i should never have "outgrown" those bands, up the mallpunx!!!)))
it was like a thousand leaves
but not rly
it was like
my life
was over...

i don't
believe
in rapture
anymore,
thurston...
i believe
in
pitchfork

Johnny American 04.30.2009 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by automatic bzooty
i don't
believe
in rapture
anymore,
thurston...
i believe
in
pitchfork


Pitchfork's never-ending search for signifiers of former cultural greatness makes me feel all vomitorious inside. They should change their name to Pastiche. They have no taste for new, interesting music unless there's some kind of blog backlash against a certain aspect of their idiocy (read the text of their review of Dirty Projector's "Rise Above" for their oh-so-shitty 'analysis' of Dave Longstreth's personality, or their hideous simplification of "Murray Street," a favorite of mine, as being successful because it's not, you know, too noisy for people who like Dirty). Fuck them, fuck them so hard in their eyes for their un-critical embrace of copycat disco, copycat Beach Boys, copycat Bruce Springsteen, copycat U2, copycat shitty Graceland pop, etc and for their absolute antipathy towards originality unless it's already popular by the time it passes under their crapdar. If they had taste, they wouldn't need to lean so hard on what Rolling Stone declared classic twenty years ago as re-recorded by New York college grads under new band names in this shitty decade of our youths with even less inspiration than it takes to torrent Paul Simon's discography. Best New Music!

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 05.01.2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny American
I'll take another Murray Street! Or Washing Machine! I don't think their best music was necessarily made 21 years ago when they were playing more exclusively with Glenn Branca and hardcore sounds! But then again, I don't want them to revisit anything, and certainly not in such a nearly self-parodying fashion as they do on this album.


Why do you need another Washing Machine or Murray Street? They already did Washing Machine and Murray Street.

I'll ignore the insinuation that Murray Street and Washing Machine are better than Evol. You just haven't been a fan long enough to realize that they aren't.

alex_could 05.01.2009 05:04 AM

Pitchfork has its positive sides anyway. I'm grateful for their Juan's Basement - Deerhoof performance there is just fantastic!!! As well as Deerhoof show I attended last weekend, maybe I wouldn't discover this great band without Pitchfork's help and miss the concert.
I see it's also Blitzen Trapper there now, so hope to watch SM & The Jicks soon as well!

pbradley 05.01.2009 05:27 AM

an emo poem for the eternal

ahem

my golden ears have betrayed their base
as alloys rust onto my face
by salty tears I shed for thee
the record of sonic eternity
where art my youth of sonic yore?
my fury waged on message board
this static collage of broken tunes
leaves me nostalgic for art-yuppie blues

Massassinated 05.01.2009 05:59 AM

I find it quite bland, too.

Flog me.

greedrex 05.01.2009 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
an emo poem for the eternal

ahem

my golden ears have betrayed their base
as alloys rust onto my face
by salty tears I shed for thee
the record of sonic eternity
where art my youth of sonic yore?
my fury waged on message board
this static collage of broken tunes
leaves me nostalgic for art-yuppie blues

excellent

Johnny American 05.02.2009 12:08 AM

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terminal pharmacy 05.02.2009 12:29 AM

This thread should just die a savage death... a bit like sharon tate maybe

pbradley 05.02.2009 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny American
I said specifically that I don't want them to revisit anything. I just don't cling to the weird rock critic canonization that all their best work was done between 1985 and 1988 and then they fell off a huge cliff into irrelevance around the time of Goo/Dirty/EJST&NS and never came back to ... a bunch of sounds that, if they did them now, would be really dated and irrelevant sounding. I love "Tom Violence" and "Expressway to Yr Skull"; I would not want to hear the band that they've evolved into attempt to do those songs, and yet that seems to be the thing that most people get excited by: paler and paler imitations of their old full-on rockin' selves. And to THAT end, I say, give me some Washing Machine and Murray Street sounds instead of dipping back to breaking into rock 'n' noise mode in a mindbogglingly heartless fashion as on this album. I blame Mark Ibold and Thurston Moore, and I like Pavement and Sonic Youth.

You rip your hair out over what is or isn't relevant, don't you.

Jasónico 05.02.2009 01:10 AM

''The Eternal'' es a good album...but before of the third listened.

terminal pharmacy 05.02.2009 02:54 AM

 

 

 

 

killthecaliforniagirls 05.02.2009 10:11 AM

oh my god... these "you´re so emo" jokes are the unfunniest thing i ever heard of.

PAULYBEE2656 05.02.2009 11:14 AM

i dont get it...... the eternal is a damn great album..people you gotta remember sy are now 50 years old...not 25 !! its all relevent!!!

greenlight 05.02.2009 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656
i dont get it...... the eternal is a damn great album..people you gotta remember sy are now 50 years old...not 25 !! its all relevent!!!


exactly.

alex_could 05.02.2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656
i dont get it...... the eternal is a damn great album..people you gotta remember sy are now 50 years old...not 25 !! its all relevent!!!


i respect them, for what they did and for pleasure they gave me all these years. but it doesn't mean that i have to love their new record just because they're 50 y.o. they weren't so much younger when sonic nurse was released btw.

Robert Wyatt is 64 now and still he makes very good records.

lechaoscestmoi 05.02.2009 11:47 AM

shut the fuck up.

the eternal rules.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 05.02.2009 11:54 AM

I think what PBradley said about The Eternal is pretty accurate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
I agree that The Eternal is pretty accessible. It also seems to challenge the self-described Sonic Youth fan's expectations between the Youth as an experimental band (therefore expecting new sounds and structures) or as a rock band (delivering the thrashy jam). Plainly said, I think this album is a lot less experimental than what most fans will want. However, that isn't to say it is entirely devoid of new sounds. The first seven seconds of "Leaky Lifeboat" is a sound I haven't heard them touch since "Shadow of a Doubt" (plus a cool playground swing thing going on, I want more of that). But these moments are admittedly few but should that stop it from being a fun record? No. This album delivers the sounds that people moaned for with Rather Ripped. Mission accomplished.



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