oh, i can definitely be an asshole, i'm not going to refute that

you booed a movie, i booed you-- i'm an asshole

you made claims, i counterclaimed--i'm an asshole

you play games, i call out your games--i'm an asshole

it would be polite of me to walk away from this, but i'm not big on pretending that bullshit doesn't stink, so here i am being an asshole and saying "this shit stinks!" because it does

okay, i'll walk away now, politely

youre not an asshole for sharing or arguing your opinion, you are being an asshole in specific WAY you chose to express and articulate such.

btw, STOP IT ALREADY, you know exactly wtf you are doing

i'm calling your bullshit and that makes you uncomfortable, i get it.

it's an uncomfortable position, and i'm rude for insisting that it's bullshit

i said i'd walk away and you called me again btw

no it doesn't at all, indeed im not really all that invested in my opinion of a crap movie. HOWEVER i am a human being and i do appreciate being respected and i will respond accordingly to being disrespected.


again I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH YOU DISAGREEING WITH MY OPINION. in any way.. i just don't appreciate you being a total prick about sharing your opinion.


i was merely responding to your comments, if you don't want me to respond then don't respond to mine. this is how the internet works. this is how it has always worked.

stop acting like you really don't know what all this is about. its not a good look for you..

me? its a slow day at work i have all the time in the world

oh if you wanna keep this chat i have no problem. the futbol game was postponed so i have to wait for the new date.

i only wanted to stop to let you off the hook after i caught you playing games.

because in spite of all your offended posturing, i never said you lacked comprehension. you made that up.

i said you missed the point of the movie. a movie. not all movies, not everything on the planet, this movie.

then i posted you a link that clarifies why some people think the movie is great.

instead of responding to this, you pretended i said something about your mental faculties and started acting offended.

this is playing games!

sorry i'm not falling for them. just pointing them out.

really just stop being an asshole. no one is playing games but you. i would chock it up to a language barrier of some kind if this wasn't a long term trend with you

i don't think it's a language barrier. i think it's you playing games.

for example:


in that section you're implying that i'm claiming that you or others don't understand art

this is of course bullshit and games.

because i believe that a person can understand art, even be a professional art person, and miss the point of an artist or artworks, without this being a condemnation of their capacities.

this happens all the time and all over history. missing the point of a work of art (or bad art, or whatever) is not a failure that condemn's one's being.

it's just some shit that happens every day and nobody should feel alarmed for it, nor trying to pretend that they get the point of everything.

so yes, i think that you missed the point of wicker man, but that doesn't mean that you are incapable of understanding art or that everyone should like the same thing

in saying that you understood the film and still disliked it, however, you didn't say "this is what i understand and this worked/didn't work for me".

instead you made up a scenario about me disparaging your mental faculties and your understanding of art, and proceeded to cry foul

this is games, friend. this is avoiding the issue and making up a straw man to tear it down.

haha you are quite the character !@#$!

it is what it is brohamster

so far you picked a fight with severian who seems to have thought he was your friend and now proceeded to waste two hours trolling the shit out of me.

i think the score for this thread is officially!@#$! 0 Offended SYG membrs 2

so far you picked a fight with severian who seems to have thought he was your friend and now proceeded to waste two hours trolling the shit out of me.

i think the score for this thread is officially!@#$! 0 Offended SYG membrs 2

HA HA-- YES

anyway, this thing just made me want to watch wicker man again

those creepy songs....

see, i knew you'd brought severian into this discussion. severian and i patched it up quickly away from your meddling.

what you just did would be like me bringing up eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryone you've annoyed here-- those people are legion

but i didn't do that because that would have been PLAYING GAMES and skirting the issue

i'm now only bringing it up as comparison. but just the other day someone asked in a thread how annoying you were-- they deleted it later ha ha hah aaaa.

but yeah. mind games and bullcrap. it never ends. i thought you just had but OF COURSE you never quit.

usually i stop arguing with you after 2 or 3 posts but i thought today i'd play

HEY YOU DELETED IT

fine

good night

yeah that was an olive branch of sorts.

anyway you should note i grew up with Surenos so i always got plenty of time for silly ass shit and latino machismo fuckery

im not a gangster, but i grew up without participation medals, so i'll keep asking that people back their claims with substance like the honest pseudointellectual asshole i am

anyway, i gotta go get some exercise for the day but here some good newspaper readin' for them art snobs

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...n-hardy-horror



beefs aside i don't know when you last saw this but maybe worth a second look with fresh eyes

haha dude i told you two hours ago i am in no way trying to convince you to agree with my opinion. i was simply sharing it! it wasn't an argument. it didn't require sourcing.

i also told you i "get it" about the Wicker Man. i know its critical acclaim, i just personally don't like the flick for the reasons i stated. its not a quantifiable opinion, its a matter purely of personal and individual tastes.

Ok. I don't want to get involved at all in this argument and I'm not choosing sides in any way — been working for 12 hours, no time to read the whole exchange — but I have to say this little nugget right here is extremely important, as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, Wicker Man prime is cheap, yeah it's corny in parts, yeah the acting is not great. But it does curl my nails. I haven't seen it in years, but it really fucked with me when I did see it. I'm genuinely not sure if it's considered a b-classic or just a b-movie in the states, but in the UK it's a cult flick, with good reason. There was some deeply unsettling shit in that film that left a lasting mark on me. That's the difference between it and other b-horror flicks.

Severian there never was an argument of any kind! i was never and am not trying to convince anyone that Wicker Man sucks or that they should think it sucks. i was simply sharing MY PERSONAL OPINION that as a matter of taste the I think it sucked.

and i actually just watched it a few months ago btw so my opinion is relatively fresh

It's one of my all time faves. I never really think of it as a B Movie though. It's a bit like Jacobs Ladder, or Duel, or Eraserhead: one of those films that just seems to come out of nowhere, that you don't know where to put or what to compare it with. Absolutely disturbed me the first time I saw it. I still watch it regularly and the last scene still fucks me up.

Forget about the Nic Cage remake, has anyone seen the recent sequel, The Wicker Tree? Now that's awful!

Edit: and Mark Kermode's a cunt

ha ha kermode-- this is the first time ive heard him speak but i've read him here and there. you seem to agree with his evaluation here though-- fucked up by the last scene. also he says something similar to what you said about another movie here that you're glad that it exists... i forget the exact words but if i have the chance i'll post it

the b label is traditionally to do with budget and double features so wicker man fits squarely in the definition and that era--a side to "don't look now." while some people equate b movie with "bad" (or trashy or exploitative) i think some of the best movies ever are b. they often take bigger risks and pull no punches and put on the screen a wider range of fears and desires than safe studio shit.

eraserhead for me is arthouse and not b, but duel is definitely b and rollercoaster-great. pink flamingos is.. what the fuck is pink flamingos? it's art by acclamation but it definitely went for mass appeal and i think of it as a great b movie. softcore 70s porn is also all low budgets and kind of historic shit--like empire of the senses. pretty much all science fiction until, probably... 3rd encounters maybe? was b movies. well, no, i forgot 2001. roger corman and troma-- all b's. night of the living dead! all blaxploitation and classic kung-fu movies. most of or the best cronenberg. the terminator may have been too expensive to qualify as a b movie but it definitely came out of that magma--the producer was a corman disciple. invasion of the body snatchers! [i'm still adding to this paragraph as i think o f more stuff]

btw, i cant find piranha ANYWHERE. will keep looking.

B Movie as an industrial term is fine but I think The Wicker Man represents something different to most of the films/genres you mention there. It has a simliar place in film history to films like Picnic at Hanging Rock, A Boy and his Dog, Jacobs Ladder. Films that seem to have come from nowhere. In the UK in the 80s, we had this weekly TV slot called Moviedrome, which was how I 1st saw the Wicker Man and other films in that 'where-the-fuck-did-this-come-from?' vein, like Johnny Guitar, Brazil, Detour, Repo Man. Some were b movies, some were indie, others were a-list mainstream, but they all shared an originality and an oddness.

Duel is amazing. Few movies had a larger impact on young me than that. It made me appreciate the quiet horror of the real world. Great Fucking movie.

(Hope we're talking about the same Duel.)

Little guy in car vs massive lorry?

duel is spielberg's first feature-- it's kinda like jaws before the shark

johnny guitar!!! holy fuck, that movie. made by aliens.

brazil i must have watched some 20 times, easy

i only saw wicker man a few years ago when i stumbled upon it on the IFC channel. similar experience-- hm let's look at this shit WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING!!! just brilliant.

btw, b-or-not-b i'll throw in sam fuller to the pantheon

i haven't seen detour or even heard of it. will google it now.

Sam Fuller for sure

Also stuff like Kiss Me Deadly, the Django films. A lot of the kind of stuff Tarantino hypes.

Detour is another one of those almost indescribable films. So I won't try.

And Piranha! Yeah! Of the remakes, stick to DD, with David Hasselhoff. The 1st remake is OK but gets a bit boring in the middle. DD is just pure fun. (you were talking about the remakes right?) The original is great but for pure entertainment value, DD is better.

DD with the big tits in the cover? that i can get.

i was looking for the original corman production though, post-jaws. not on netflix dvd, not on amazon stream, and not at the library-- maybe it's on netflix online but i don't have that right now.

btw i decided to inaugurate halloween movie season with wicker man, which should get here soon-- not sure what edition (1999?). lining up other stuff like exorcist and the omen, which i haven't seen in ages, but also stuff i missed like little shop of horrors (corman version) or the bad seed (50s) or pride and prejudice and zombies (newish). please recommend any movie or tv shows i should add to this. doesn't need to be bone-chilling horror, horror comedy works too obviously.

I like the more lighthearted stuff at Halloween. Nothing too heavy or scary. Maybe something iconic like Bride of Frankenstein.

Re Piranha. Yeah, I kind of prefer the remakes, at least the 2nd one, DD. It's absolute rubbish on just about every level but it's a film I always find myself putting on.

yeah, horror movies are your thing which is why i can see you switching to the funny stuff for halloween.

i'm the other way around-- i generally avoid them because they disturb me, but this is the time of the year i dedicate to macerate my brain in death, darkness, ultraviolence, and discomfort. that includes basic gore like catching up with the walking dead, true detective, house of cards, etc. i "save them" for october.

That's the one.

To this day headlights freak me out. I trace it back to that film

Don't even get me going on True Detective season one. Goddamn masterful. Had it been a feature film, it would have won every Oscar. It's a work of art. Great take on Southern Gothic. Simply put, it's one of the best things that's ever been on television. Goddamn but that was great.

Season two was criminally underrated. It too was quite compelling, but it was just not possible to follow season one.

True Dick sucked. Overacted, overwrought. Just real bad.

i just watched Entrapment with Sean Connery and Catherine Zeta Jones.. it was like a late 80s throwback, and otherwise entertaining flick that didn't try to hard to be innovative or clever and just put out an ok movie

Aw, what?! What the hell? Are you on Thorazine? I strongly disagree with you on this one. Maybe the second season qualifies as "over-acted" at times, but the first season is pure gold. It makes Silence of the Lambs seem like an actual film about silent lambs. I was still on the anti-Mcconaughey bandwagon until I watched it. I'd hated the guy for 15 years or more, even though he'd dished out increasingly good performances in recent films by that point. But Jesus, one episode in and I was a changed man.

Game of Thrones can just fuck off and die. Nothing in the whole series approaches the greatness of the first episode of TD. That's where I stand.

wait-what? i just realized this after severian answered

i haven't seen 2nd season pls no spoilers

1st season was great though--mcconna..something and woody harrelson

"time is a flat circle..." ha ha ha ha

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the only thing that REALLY BOTHERED ME is that they catch "the bad man" (ooooo) but not the powers behind him. that's like-- wuuuuuuttt?? pointless





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not yet "terror" but with the election season i'm getting the most recent frank underwood on bluray. season 3 went to shit a little, but i'm still faithful mostly because lester, what's his name, kevin spacey, is great

inb4 eeeeeeeeeveryone's favorite scene

True Detective, 1st season was very good gothic horror. The second season, I liked a lot, but my wife did n ot. she found it TOO bleak. I thought it was a cool season. Enjoyed it much more than the critics who seemed to wish that Macconoughhay was back so they could slobber over him again....

!@#$%, that scene is where my love for the Welsh ladies began, grew, erupted, and then settled into a manageable chubby.

oh no, that's the last mental image to place next to zeta!

i beg mercy, brother

This is literally the only thing I remember from this film. It's funny. You nailed it. Couldn't event tell you what the thing's about, but this image is seared into my memory.

There was a similar moment in that godawful Get Smart re-make with Steve Carrell and Anne Hathaway, where the soon-to-be Catwoman's rump makes a very similar move, though in a split ballroom gown. Hah. Yowza. I'll have to find that.

i had to stop and think and it was about hacking pennies on Y2K

lol Y2K