yeah, and the invasion was approved by Reagan, who'd been shipping arms to Iraq for just that purpose for quite a while before.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/...mical-weapons/

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/wo...pagewanted=all

right-- it was the us that propped saddam, then destroyed him, as they did with the guy who killed torrijos-- noriega was it? i forget. yes, manuel noriega. same story.

england and russia had been meddling with iran for ages, and the ottomans were iran's (persia's) main strategic competitors during the modern era and since before.

in 1953 the us overthrew a secular democracy on behalf of britain's oil interests, and to keep russia out, and installed the shah.

the shah was knocked down by the islamic revolution and the usa became the great satan, and israel the point of contention, and they took on the american embassy and all the hostages.

then saddam was sicked on iran, given wmds, etc.

fucking reagan was a real charmer.

there are no innocents here, nobody is a saint. countries and "leaders" just want to advance their interests at the expense of everyone else.

having said that, it's generally better when people solve their conflicts through diplomacy. trump is for war and unilateralism and aligns with the cancer known as bibi netanyahu. both of them please fuck off.

About two months ago, I was driving home when some fuckhead going in the opposite direction drove left of center and hit my car. I wasn't hurt but there was considerable damage to my vehicle.

What I want to know is: why did HRC pay that guy to plow into my car? She was behind it! I just know it! Fucking bitch!

:Enters thread, reads the last couple pages of posts: Well, looks like I've missed quite the party.

it's a clear conspiracy. you were kept out deliberately.

item: S.O.R.O.S.-I owns this website. status: fact.

this is the most sense anyone has made in this thread.

yeah, you're basically right there, but howevers, the Rethugs have been MUCH worse on the killing of innocents. Yes, Barack uses the drones way too much, but this is NOTHING compared to El Salvador/Iraq

yes, republicans in general have been real sons of bitches in foreign policy as a rule. trump would be no exception. imagine, everyone who insults him is going to get a b2 bomber dropping ordinance on them

oh by the way-- a great read in today's washington post. this is how trump stands up for business ha ha ha ha ha:

I SOLD TRUMP $100,000 WORTH OF PIANOS. THEN HE STIFFED ME.

compared to him, hillary is a saint

Hm. This seems more like Obama's fault. Something to do with the auto industry bailout. Not sure how it fits altogether. But it does.

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BTW, the Daily Show came to my city to talk to people before a Trump rally. I actually graduated high school in the building they're standing in front of. This is so embarrassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ

Well, at least you can say you graduated from high school, unlike the Drump deplorables who flunked out of first grade.

refined distinctions? off you go.

 

 

f. e. deadly attacks on Iranian nuclear scientists are being carried out by an Iranian dissident group that is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service, U.S. officials tell NBC News, confirming charges leveled by Iran’s leaders. U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Obama administration is aware of the assassination campaign but has no direct involvement....and list can go on and on I believe.


well, is not it the same what opposite sides are doing as well? but that is o. k. obviously. wtf.?

and god knows how many of what you are mentioning above was actually typical "operation gladio" thingy. check the history on Iran since WW2 till revolution in late 70ties. good one, no? I am not wondering why relations are so tense, so who is the enemy here? I don't want to defend Iranian theocratic constitution of Islam (it actually sounds scary) but pointing at them as agressor is bit constructed. and Israel having a nuclear weapons is o.k. and Iran can not have them, because they would destroy the world is bit unfair. sorry....I forgot, Israel does not have a nuclear weapons...I am a conspiracy theorist...

Its not necessarily about "who is the enemy" or who provoked whom rather as with the US/Russia discussion its the reality that "two wrongs never make a right" and provoked or not Iran hasn't necessarily been a "good guy" in the world but especially in the Levant and West Asia.

The false dichotomy of "the West is bad so their enemies must be good" is frankly getting embarrassing with so many otherwise well meaning and intelligent people arguing as apologists for international rogue states and black ops..

Oh man, Gary Johnson is the comedic gift that keeps on giving. I think the key to his unintended comedy gold is that he doesn't try to bullcrap his way out of a question, he simply admits he doesn't know dick. :D Now, when he said he was having an "Aleppo moment" (which has been turned into a Twitter hashtag, just like #WhatIsAleppo before it), he went from a pathetically funny mook to an inconsiderate fucking asshole - THIS is what an Aleppo moment looks like, you "Libertarian" imbecile.

what a out of touch cunt Hiliary is. her concerns are typical of her party and her type. saying the same old scum bag shit about minorities just to get that vote. she's the type that would pay a rapist a 1,000 dollars to get out of jail on good behavior just to have them receive a 1000 dollars. a suck up, worthless class biatch. she could never continue what Obama started. just rape it. I hate here retard liberal pussy attitude.

oh yeah Trump. he hates everyone and will enslave you.

exactly what i try to say. as you saying above nobody is saint. but that Russia is bad and dangerous so America must be good is just ridiculous. i do not want to deffend Russia, I am just tired of the same narrative from western mainstream media that them are bad and we are figting for peace and democracy values and instead bringing same if not bigger chaos and destruction to the whole middle east and it is getting messier day by day. Assad (who was elected by Syrians as their president and it seems that they like him) was using chemical weapons on his own people...(bit fucking stupid, isn't it?) 24/7 brainwash spin, 100 of moderate rebel groups (who kill only moderately, equipped with american weapons) financied by i do not know who (whole isis must be scam and the worst thing is that they have actually fans all around), war, destruction, typical staged regime change with same lame scenario. so he is doing what normal president does (to me), defends his country plus ask Russia for help. why should he step down? because someone accused him of killing his own people who voted for him (why would he do it anyway? just look at the guy does he looks like a tyrant, or is it that he just doesn't comply to someone elses agenda)? according to mainstream media Russia is killing civilians in Syria now... why would they do it? doesn't make any sense. worst thing is that whole country is in bits, horror, million people displaced. actually I should be lucky that I live in pretty much free society in peacefull times and shut up, if I think there would be a conflict like for example Nato against Russia we are pretty fucked over here...close enough. so it is not only them but also us (if not more) and maybe the real truth would be a shocker to everyone.

back to the elections tho. i will skip this thread till next debate. kinda tired of him and her...and being labeled conspiracy theorist just because I mention Soros (who does a lot of stir), or call someone evil (?!) and yet few of you here are mentioning black ops, coups, staged events, so you know that is the way things are done.

hold on. my today's fav. conspiracy memes..