Pretty much, but I'd guess at Spiderland over Joy Division.

There's been around 70 different lists in so far, which is pretty amazing really. So a top twenty is gonna be quite possible.

yay

There probably won't be too many surprises but then why would there be? We all read each other's posts and know each other's tastes.

Actually, I didn't know 70 people individually posted here, weird.

what exactly is DATED about loveless? and how can you listen to beefheart? that shit sounds so fucking DATED!

if you mean that tons of LOSER FUCKS ripped off it's sound then I agree but that does not DATE the album
the album is genius fucking awesome shit and will be listened to for decades.

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Well I'd say that listening to Loveless it's pretty obvious when it was made while, to my ears at least, TMR could've been recorded yesterday, or tomorrow. Come on Rob, I know you don't like Beefheart, and I respect that, but you're just not making any sense about this. Loveless came at exactly the right time, bringing together the Dinosaur Jr/SY thing and fusing it with studio techniques that were unique to that moment.

TMR is a record that, when I hear it, despite the fact that I know when it was recorded, seems to stand outside of its era. There was a certain inevitability about the way in which Loveless was going to sound - given what was happening in the UK musically at that time. I don't think the same can be said of TMR. Not that that necessarily makes TMR a better album than Loveless. Although personally I think it is.

oh i think i misunderstood this (it was very early when i logged on).

dude, everything can sound dated, espciaLLY SEMINAL albums.

any and all prog music sounds dated.

anything shoegaze sounds dated. (I hate these terms, but,....)

there really are very few albums that are ahead of their time enough to not sound dated 20 years later, and even those will eventually, just gve them another decade or so...

I would describe Loveless as DEFINING a type of rock music, and anything that defines a genre will be diluted by the myriad progenitors of such a sound.

I agree. And like I said, being dated doesn't necessarily make an album 'bad'. Sgt Pepper's has to be one of the most dated albums imaginable and yet I can (and do) still listen to it regularly. In the case of TMR, I sort of liken it to John Fahey's 'Transfiguration ...' album. Unless someone told me in advance, I'd have very little idea when it was recorded. Again, that doesn't necessarily make it 'good' but, it just so happens that it is ... extremely so, in my opinion.

I'll give you that.

As much as I adore Loveless, I only really included it in my list due to the fact that I knew a lot of people would vote for it, otherwise my list would be very pointless, I mean who else here would vote for Burial's first album?

Having said that, The Fall's 'Live At The Witch Trials' could very well stand a chance, I'll just have to see...

hey man, you should pick what you feel are the GREATEST and if you truly feel that Burial's moody bleeps and bloops are among the greatest you should ahve included it!

I agree. Otherwise it becomes pointless. Does anybody really think that Rob thought Warrant's Cherry Pie had a realistic chance of winning? No, but he came from the heart. Which is why I'll always love the fucker.

hahahahahhah!

my g/f is more like dulce de leche pie! yeah!

lets get lewd!

I cannot wait to see the results for this!!!!

No, I did include Burial! I am just saying that I didn't want all of my choice's to be pointless, so I decided to include Loveless as I knew it would stand a chance, plus it's a fantastic record anyway. At the time, if I knew Demonrail would receive as many votes as he has, I probably wouldn't have included it.

did you read that story about Burial being Aphex Twin and Fatboy Slim?