That a psychedelic future tainted by cyborgs tries to retroactively assassinate you by sending a cyborg assassin back in time and killing your parents before you were born but yet you exist presently because your future self sent your father back in time to stop the cyborg cabal yet paradoxically the cyborgs themselves were created as a result of research on left behind computer parts from the smashed cyborg which was sent to destroy you?

just the first one.

I was just about to correct myself

that is jampacked with info, i enjoy reading it, but i'm struggling to find a definition. the good = fair distribution of resources + no war or murder?

no, i'm not playing games here. i'm just trying to understand your morality so i can understand the nihilism that you speak about.

what more do you want me to say?

good would be no war or murder. fair resource distribution, the breaking up of copyright and intellectual property monopolies. peaceful coexistence.

people should start life with enough resources to not have to be coerced into or voluntarily seek exploitative economic/social/sexual relationships.

even if we had a law that functioned properly and actually punished those that lie us into war etc. but we dont.

representative democracy is a farce. im supposed to vote for a candidate and if the majority votes for someone else, that person is supposed to "represent" my interests. bullshit.

noone can do anything to change this because we're all trapped in a zero sum economic game.

i think we all know what the good is anyway.

the economic inequality of the present is the greatest in history so far, yet there is absolutely no effective programme to change it!

baudrillard again - we're beyond the point of revolution.

i think what's happening to us now is that we're approaching a point where the value of producing a human at all will be recognized as entirely negative. by human i mean prole. the rich have their dynasties and will do just fine.

what NOONE says about global warming is that the best way to reduce your carbon emissions is to die. i think the system of economic rationality we're locked into is approaching some weird moment wherein those of us still inhabiting reality are simply sealed into it as units indistinguishable from their environment. we're totally surveilled, mapped, pre plotted entities. the UK gov got into trouble for suggesting it could tell pensioners when they are likely to die so they could plan for the pensions better.

now the outrage against this disgusts me, because it is folksy immortalism. like that cunt palin spreading lies about death panels.

the fact is that the governments ability to predict when you will die, based on your data, is a process that is increasing in its technical mastery to the point where it will eventually be totally accurate.

so we're progressing towards a system that could solve its environmental issues by simply regulating the production of humans.

you see where this is going?

this is why baudrillard said even death was disappearing.

corporations won't just "own" your data and genome, they'll be able to fucking simulate your existence before it even happens! there will be so much data about exactly what your life would be like, it won't even be profitable for you to be born in the first place.

i could make me peace with a society in which evil happened, but the law actually functioned properly. it doesnt and it cant. you need a power base to carry it out, and it doesnt have some vantage point from outside the society to actually control it from.

alright, thanks.

i think we don't all know what the good is-- i think it's important to realize this. i do believe in the sociobiological origin of morality (rather than philosophical or god-given one) but i think also that there are mutations, and that the human animal is plastic enough to be shaped by culture to a significant extent-- e.g. "i was only obeying orders".

i have to go install a new modem but i'll try responding to the rest in a bit. but thanks for answering. seriously.

yes, the "only obeying orders" mentality didnt go away with the nazis like we want to think.

it operates in the nhs "im told to give out SSRI's and i wont get punished for following orders, so i can do it."

capitalism functions through this logic "well, if i dont sell these cigarettes, someone else will come along dedicated solely to the profitability of this corporation. so i may as well push it and fuck victims".

i dont have a problem with where this society is headed, in the posts above where i talk about what the system is progressing towards - this doesnt seem like a HORRIBLE thing to me, its just the fact that i have to fucking LIVE in it that i hate. i hate this fucking pointless life of searching for money so i can sit around and eat.

the rich and those above us on the economic scale - these bastards torture us. i am totally serious when i say that. not just the war and actual torture, its a pyschological war against us. because the fact that we value money for survival - that its the only way we can survive, is what makes THEIR money actually function. its what preserves their power.

they are psychologically torturing us with their regime of mandatory positivity, by forcing us to compete and conform by pursuing what is LITERALLY a supernatural conception of our selves. we can quit smoking, diet, exercise, get that job etc. by wishing it. if we dont its our own fault.

now the fact that we are hamsters in a cage on a wheel trying to outrun the commodity matrix that is neuro-technically engineered to addict us and extract our money - this is not something we can do anything about.

your brain is programmed for obesity by your environment, then your fictional self has to repent on behalf of reality and perform this impossible act of overcoming reality with your will.

really, the logic today is that because you exist everything that happens to you is your own fault. thats why we talk about enjoying life, because we are basically saying "go fucking kill yourself if you dont like it".

we're totally isolated now, we're insane and being driven suicide by this system. and our entertainment is to sneer at each other. thats our only relief.

and the system is moving towards a total nihilism.

at what point does some john stewart like figure just flat out show us footage of people being murdered and dare us to give a shit about it? thats basically whats happening now. everyone would enjoy it. it would be such a relief to be rid of the torment of our humanity. the system will provide this eventually, it will be made more explicit than it is now.

our own fucking corpse is what's really on all the screens. and we're supposed to eat it up and enjoy it.

does anyone else remember the bush/blair era and how our societies morphed into this new totalitarianism?

what a drag.

my job is to kill if you forget to take your pill..

eventually we're going to lose even the little scraps we cling to now.

monsanto seeds that you have to buy again every year because the company has a genomic patent on it.

the rich will engineer themselves - their genome, their environment, their bodies. they'll upgrade their failing organs etc.

i mean, they already are better than us due to their wealth and environment. they can out compete us, or are rich enough not to have to bother to compete in the exhausting destructive way we do.

we're literally obsolete humans wandering around, dying, losing. the only way out of this will be the moment where we don't even need to be produced.

remember that bush staffer that said "we create reality by acting, your job is to document it but by then we'll already have created another one".

proles like us inhabit realities, but those above us in this system are already at the point where they produce them. our realities are becoming obsolete, unprofitable, unnecessary.

we're being replaced by machines. what we are today is kind of like a corpse for the potential commodification of our lives.

the system has my image, my data - soon it will be able to scan my brain.

the data we have today is enough for some potential company to totally plot out my life. what i will do, when i will die, where i will go. this is not sci fi. your neuro data tells more about you than your self.

lets try and hash this out.

you've got google maps of my entire country. you've got every business, every shop, every potential job, every car, environmental data, weather data, everything ive ever said and done online, my position from my phone. you can use this to target advertise. you can totally control me, or rather, access the data that shows how i am nothing but a noise emitting from a totally integral reality system.

you can plot out everything im going to be capable of doing from this already. sure there are contingencies that wont be foreseen, but thats only an absence of data.

you could literally decide it was inefficient to have me in this system at all and remove me.

if you want to know what its like to be trapped back in reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyofadz81J0

dood i fuckin love marcy playground no lie ive been listening to them for bout since i was 10 or 11 and im 18 goin on 19 i ask everybody if they have ever herd of marcy playground and they all say no so i introduce everybody to there music i love smokin to this song matter of fact ive taken 3 pauses in writting this comment to rip the bong so doods listen to the melodies of this song and rip the bong my freinds

3rd eye blind saved mi life before that jim carrey movie. marcy kender garden playground was just Pavement vocal light. before, rap rock was mi life. "let the bodies drop" was mi theme song before i feed the chickens and grandmama cooked that sweet home made busicuits and egggristswithbutter.

dude, don't get me started on those bongs. my coach said i was just self medicating. gee, i should be a deputy soon. god bless that saviour for giving me the strength and courage to survive bootcamp. i know i can do it pa, before i get mi healthy hearty thick girlfriend preg.

cuntry life is what i live fo.

I am trying to listen to as much Marcy Playground, Modest Mouse, and Pinback as I can so the moment I get in close range to a gun I will have the balls to pull the trigger because overdosing and hanging myself didn't work. And my sister tryed to kill herself the same day I hung myself and she just broke her back and can't walk so there can be no more attempting only achieving. And I wont lie I am scared to pull the trigger so I have to summon all the pain and hopelessness into 1 moment.

i smell sex and bad breath and .......booty holes!

dude, yr correct because everyone sucked in 97. everyone!!! lame 90's. i wish them away like monica ludencesky.

Portuguese is just spanish nonsense and babble. i thought we all knew that.

leaving behind the cigar insert into vegina hole 90's and entering the 'piss on my 13 yr old fan' 2000's. YAY!!!

bullshitjustinlivesforeverhashtag...ur gay!!! in a friendly way.

wit that thong... thu thu.. thu... thong!!

i think yr refering to Smashmouth. those guys were behind and ahead of their time all at once. masters of the late 90's craft. wow that ? and the mysterians keyboard intro gets me everytime. classic fo show.

i smell sex and shady lanes.


btw, do you ever watch a vid on utube and some comment thats negative appears in the said section and u automatically think of a friend from when u were 18?

You're trolling me specifically here now right?


Speaking of the 1990s, did you mean the rapper Ginuwine?

i've been kind of letting this soak in the back of my head for a day.

and i wanted to come back and ask why you're not a communist. but then i reread the 2nd part about population control, etc, so i must ask--

are you perchance a closet maoist? not closeted as in hidden but closeted in that maybe you are but don't know.

of course not a 40s maoist but a revamped version.

porksmarras says he's a communist but decries leninism (i think)

i don't want to get into discussions of economic systems or why they would/ wouldn't work, but it seems to me your ideals (your "possible good") are rather similar to teh marxist utopia.

am i wrong?

are you a disillusioned marxist?

spectacular tmt article on how those of us who grew up just before the internet took over everything can still hope to make some peace with the new cultural space.

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/features...ocus?page=show

....People around my age, too old to be digital natives and too young to be able to sustain a technological abstinence in today’s world, are burdened with the weight of memory — even as the networked mind appears brilliant and sleek to me, like a diamond, its gradual revelation gives way to an emptiness in the pit of my stomach. Because the shift to online life happened during the existence of my peers and I, the occurrence has become inseparably tied in our memories to the more universal happening of simply growing up. The nostalgic disconnect from early childhood so many through the ages have addressed has, for millennials, an eerily finite standard of measurement.

Whether or not the move to online existence inspires nostalgia, anxiety, or excitement, it’s happening and will continue to happen. As I see it, millennials are faced with a choice: we can refuse to participate and become gradually more alienated from the modern conception of what it means to live on Earth, or we can cut our losses and go along for the ride, keeping the illusion of individuality that we can still feel from our youth as a potent reminder of how a shift in technology can reshape the meaning of existence mid-existence — this happened to millennials in our early teen years, and our consciousness is still working overtime trying to catch up. With my own sanity in mind, I look to the future with a soft focus, the horizon mutable, like an eyelid that droops at the close of day, anticipating the gentle fallacy of its own gaze.

Heterosexuality hasn't always existed. The contemporary transformation of capitalism entails a mutation of the sex-gender order. If we look attentively at the signs of technification and informatization of gender that emerge starting with World War 2, we can even affirm that heterosexuality has been summoned to disappear one day. In fact, it is in the act of disappearing now. The postsexual era will then begin as a secondary effect of the pharmacoporno industry. This means that there will no longer be sexual relations between cis-males and cis-females and that the conditions of sexual production (production of bodies and pleasures) are drastically changing, that they will begin to resemble more and more closely the production of bodies and deviant pleasures, under the control of the same pharmacopornographic regulations. In other words, all forms of sexuality and production of pleasure, all libidinal and bio-political economies are now subject to the same molecular and digital technologies of the production of sex, gender and sexuality.

Beatriz - Preciado - Testo Junkie.

i had many replies to this that got long and ended in frustration.

as you all know very well i oscillate between being a despairing liberal, a pyschotic terrorist revenge fantasist that wants to see the blood those in power have inflicted on us through their wars and austericide inflicted back on them, and someone who just wants to escape life, death, sex etc. and not have to deal with this shit.

not much point in playing the label game. we're all disillusioned marxists whether we want to admit it or not, since all our societies function with mixtures of socialism and capitalism. of course i want the best possible deal for the poor. of course i want nuclear energy, eventually fusion, clean water, the cheapest possible living standards. only posing idiots or corporate shills of the ignorant don't want these things.

but these are just in the interests of my survival. what really interests me is understanding where the system is going and what the ultimate fate of humanity is - extinction/disappearance/accelerated evolution into the components/fuel for our post human ascendants. trying to understand the processes that are at work today, which will shape the future - this is worth thinking and writing about.

there are only a few people tied to the empty shell that is marxism that even trying to do this. synthetic zero, preciado

im not a marxist because i dont prescribe totally to the analysis of marx, i read his biog and have picked up ideas here and there. to me its just a religious theory of capitalism that justifies it, and its incredibly limited, if not totally obsolete in many ways. it takes the christian ideal of a people transcending their conditions into a new heaven very seriously, and this ideal disgusts me and its grip on the unconscious minds of the majority of western thinkers is their greatest handicap and a really insulting thing to read.

capitalism is one economic system and will eventually be superseded by something else, and arguably that's happening now. its a rigged scam and the majority of us will be destroyed by it or already have been, and are just desperately trying to survive with what little scraps we can. the idea that it is morally superior or more efficient is a load of bullshit. chinas communist party just did capitalism BETTER than anyone else ever has. chinese farmers were seeing something like a 700% increase in profits over the past few decades. the fact is that they kicked your fucking amerinazis asses and you're only hobbling along as world superpower cos of all the ships and military might you've built up. china proved that all the bullshit our societies told itself about capitalism was exactly that, and that american style free market fundamentalism is a theory just as ridiculous and fantastical as anything the stalinists had. chinas communist party was able to organize a form of capitalism that in a mere few decades has totally exceeded american productivity.

what would be even more ridiculous would be to subscribe to dead ideas about the end of history and liberal capitalist democracy winning out as the last and best system ever. this is just such a farce its not even worth taking seriously.

it's as futile and useless to side with capitalism as it is with anything else, because none of us are gonna save or beat the stock market and get anywhere. it's all rigged against us, it exists to feed off us. even the dream of owning a home is a disappearing for the middle classes.

not that i condemn anyone for trying desperately to do this, because you're just trying to survive and not end up fucking homeless. i understand being so beaten down and ruined by the system that you're rage and suffering eventually leads you to a kind of perverse conformity where you reclaim some sense of control by externalizing your shit into the idea of a harsh ruthless world in which only those not naive enough to see this truth can have a chance of holding onto something against the tide.

what im interested in is the distribution of all scientific/technical techniques and data through p2p networks and new experimental sub cultures of neuro/body hacking, because this is our first line of defense. i'm interested in individuals being able to power, shelter and feed themselves outside of and partially along with the markets. so something like the tea party coming out and telling the koch bros to fuck off and supporting individuals right to install solar panels is the kind of thing that excites me, cos the right and left converge at times. there's little about the system that is remotely legitimate today and anyone that isn't trying to think through it and disseminate the knowledge and tools for people to survive it and find whatever freedom they can from its traps of addiction, poverty and stupidity is worth supporting.

clinging to bullshit conceptual or semantic games is a waste of time, so is biography. you may as well stare at my shit in the toiletbowl than look inside my imaginary self for some truth.

shits tell you what you ate before. you never look? i spot the red tinge of gojuchang in my bowl this morning. last time i took my samples to a lab they found some interesting stuff.

and the past is more than a reference. the past never goes away, it's here along with the present and everything else.

i don't know about china just yet. right now their fast industrialization is feeding on large migrant populations from the countryside--increased farm profits come with displaced populations, not rural utopias. the reason their profits are increasing so quickly is because their economy was so depressed to begin with--same thing happened with all the asian tiger economies before (japan, taiwan, singapore, etc.). i mean if you look at postwar adenauer germany it's the same thing, rising from the ashes is relatively quick. the tricky part is when you achieve parity with everyone else. of course at that point china will have a HUGE internal market and they could choose to close their doors for another 500 years. but anyway, i'm not into futurology this morning.

thanks for the reply anyway. will read with more care later. my original request was about trying to understand your "system". though i get your lack of great narratives, and it makes sense. still, a bit of archaeology aids hermeneutics. gtg but maybe more later.

Heterosexuality is not some kind if post-modern invention, its a biological reality of the human experience for at least the past 250,000 years. What I think you meant to say was the particularly boring "american" idea that heterosexuality is.or should be the only game in town tthat is postmodernist reactionary

no. she means it will eventually go away.

its no longer necessary for reproduction or child rearing. it's days are numbered.

heterosexuality will only go away when females are able to self-fertilize.

i live in the land of lesbian lizards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

Despite reproducing asexually, and being an all female species, the whiptail still engages in mating behavior with other females of its own species, giving rise to the common nickname "lesbian lizards". A common theory is that this behavior stimulates ovulation, as those who do not "mate" do not lay eggs.

muff diving is a living win

it's more of a dry hump but yeah

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/wo...anted=all&_r=0

its great that they're doing that.

less of the "idiocy of rural life" (marx) and more urban populations can only be a good thing

also, agriculture will is becoming obsolete (thankfully because of its co2 emissions).

we dont need to breed animals since we can make synthetic meat in labs. but we dont even need that cos of soylent. our labs are a lot faster and efficient than the soil and sun. smaller too. need to make sure the schematics for these technologies are distributed online

more renters to fatten the landlord.

nature is a worse rentier.

hence the need for all the other stuff i go on about.