aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that is a huge eye opener for me. i have never heard these arguments before. now i get why may is getting shafted in brussels. no means no means no means no and that is that.

now i dont agree with the guyks proposal really—he’s calling for one type of central planning to replace another. state-directed economic development etc., “industry” as if it could be conjured out of thin air, etc.

but national central planning is at least more local than continent-wide planning.

and i see what he means by the tyrannical power of the bureaucracy...

and he’s right you should have prepared for no deal from the start...

but what about the european parliament and the rotating presidence? makes no difference or what? can they not alter the bureaucracy’s programs??

I think the "mixed race" vote for Brexit was motivated by people who'd feel more included in this country. I personally feel that's not going to be the outcome in the end. if anything it will make euro Nazis even more racist as well as the English who are already racist. Too late.

I can't say I've ever felt excluded.


That's fine but at least you're disagreeing with a Left wing concept rather than the Right wing ones that people usually associate the Leave position with.


The President is selected from the European Council, members of which are (to quote wikipedia) "bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state." Members of the European Parliament (which is an elected body) then vote from this list of candidates but there's really no chance the Council will include anyone who might rock the boat. The current president, Juncker, was on the board of governors at the World Bank before he joined the EU. The previous president went on to become chairman at Goldman Sachs. These aren't people you'd turn to if you wanted to shake things up.

ooooooooh.... thats why syrizo is talking about financial focus

FINANCE EGGHEADS!

lmao i see.

they should consider that “the european interest” might b to keep members from quitting

time to short the euro then haaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaaa

in recent weeks ive started to realize this alliance is more fragile than i ever knew. precarious, even.

maybe just charlemagnia will be left ha ha ha

damn...

itks like im neo and i took the red pill

and yes, i never heard the left wing arguments indeed

so who are the more loyal members left? there seems to be some france-germany friction actually. germany is the real power yes? who else bands with them?

— typing on the ipad is bit shit

The argument is that they do this through bullying rather than any suggestion of compromise. Juncker was always going to make Britain's exit as painful as he possibly could if only to dissuade other countries from following suit. Lapavitsas is right. This isn't the EU acting from a position of strength, but one of fragility. That's why I agree with him that a no deal should have been our default position from the beginning.

Another pro-Brexit view from the Left (more heavy on the economics)

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/04/b...st-left-corbyn

oh, that.... no. that’s lies hahaha.
the data is real but their conclusions are highly arbitrary.

im glad you explained the array of brexiter positions previously. because any of those could explain the data.

ps- cuba finally got 3g networks last december xD

Yeah, I've said already that I'm not entirely sold on the economic arguments. It's just there as another example of the Left talking about this stuff from a position that doesn't get much exposure. My thing is the issue of democratic accountability and its attitude towards reform.

yeah, the economic arguments are utter shit lol

i’ve been mulling over the financial aspect of the thing for days now (days?) and i think their fiscal fascism is necessary... not sufficient, but necessary. because without a common fiscal floor, so to speak, the euro is worthless as a unified currency.

at the same time not every country is as productive as, say, germany (though germany going theu a bit of a slump at the moment)

but take italy—youth employment is like 30%? only older people have steady jobs basically and the older set is not hip with technology....

i remember some years ago (not sure how many) the north wanted to split off from the south. if they seceded they’d be in fantastic shape economically.

unification, in other words, is always a problem...

a few months ago when gm decided to close sedan plants it was obvious that peak sedan buy had already happened

with yesterday's auto sales figures release it looks like peak has also hit the SUV market, so -- nowhere else to go from here

meanwhile, ride sharing in china is exploding (didi in china dwarves uber globally) as buying cars in places like beijing is limited by lottery.

THINGS MUTATE

also, lower car exports are bad for germany, and tariffs on top of this could make them teeter

holy fuck wat stem cells WAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT

48 financial firms apply to move to Germany in Brexit planning

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - German regulators have received 48 applications in recent months from financial firms seeking to relocate to Germany in the wake of Britain’s decision to leave the European Union, an official said on Thursday.

Elisabeth Roegele, an executive director with Germany’s Bafin financial markets watchdog, said that more applications could still come.

“There are still companies that are only now dealing with the issue,” she added.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1QO12B

now my obv question is what companies are these and how big are they

job creation in february took a massive shit to only 20K rather than the normal 160-180K

otoh wages rose .4% and unemployment down to 3.8%

looks like we've hit a wall there with employment

the brexit mess is a zoo again, and great hysteria about the boeing plane

will may call for an election?

apple stock kicking ass

OOOOOORDER... ORDEEEEEER....

242 391 the nos have it

wtf is up with her throat man. gotta quit the smokes

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EUR/USD has been shooting upwards all day and continues

GBP/USD just started rising

eta now crashing back a little. very volatile!

What a total omnishambles it is for May. Bless her.

That sore throat is from deepthroating Juncker all day today

She's been in an impossible position from the beginning: trying to reconcile two sides that will never be reconciled and dealing with countless different agendas. I've no idea what the next step will be. I can see a vote in favour of extending article 50 but will the EU accept that? And even if they do, we'd then have the farce of participating in the next EU election. Whatever side of the argument you're on, this is a shambles.

Agreed there, my man. I can't even begin to explain the dread I have at the idea of a no deal brexit.

hard brexit might be easier at this point because the uncertainty of this open ended bullshit might be more damaging and you guys are BLEEDING business right now

I see no point in extending the negotiations. I'd say it's now a choice between leaving without a deal or not leaving at all. May's dream of finding a third way that would satisfy everyone and re-unite the country is dead. We could argue all day that it always was, or that she might've achieved it had she negotiated differently, but we are where we are and I think now it's either completely out or completely in.

looks like they’re gonna pass a symbolic “no no-deal” resolution today which accomplishes exactly nothing

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meanwhile, over 200 google play apps infected with malware

https://research.checkpoint.com/simb...n-google-play/

android users beware

ORDEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRR

312-308

the ayes have it—have WHAT??

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the pound is flying

It's taken the 'no-deal' option off the table. So Brexit is pretty much dead in the water now, at least in any meaningful sense.

well not really.

it’s just a statement of wishes without any legal force

if you don’t agree on a deal with europa before the deadline, and/or don’t get an extension, you still get no-deal brexit

takes unanimous agreement to give you the extension.

Trump digging into Theresa saying 'I'm surprised at how badly it has all gone from a stand point of negotiations but I gave the Prime Minister (Theresa May) my ideas of how to negotiate it, she didn't listen to that and that's fine but it could have been negotiated in a different manner.'

This is coming from a guy who so far shown he wouldn't be able to negotiate his shoe laces. Also of course, he wants a no deal to go through so he's loving this ATM.

You're ignoring the fact that if a no deal did go through now the political fallout from it would be massive. Whilst not legally binding the consequences are huge.

im not ignoring

yesterday’s vote is just a wish

there is no actual proposal

if your country can’t agree to support may’s deal you’re just gonna be left holding your dicks with no deal at all

1. europe is not going to change their concessions
2. extending beyond the election is not gonna happen

the uk cant get their shit together on what it wants, what is the extension for?

so, no 2nd referendum

options narrow

and now they ask for delay FO SHO

ball in europa’s court

Of course he would. Britain, or England I should say, always wanted to be the US's submissive bitch, with a foot in both geographical/cultural worlds. And the benefits that brings. Now it's time to take sides. No deal would make sense of all this nonsense. Everyone is fucking tired of this going on forever. Brexit is never going to bring socialism or impartial, community-based policies to the UK, no matter how interesting demonrail's article links may read like. What's the point to carry on with this? A clean break is just that because you ought to realise what it is you actually want, and right now England, or its government, I should say, is confused about everything.

brexit looks like july 1st or gtfo

Apparently, there was a mass shooting in NZ.

(The Orange Blob will say nothing about standing with Muslims. We all know why, don't we?)

(Oooops....I'm doing it wrong.)

YES

cmon, give us an edit

Well, this thread is supposed to be Blobless.

meh

merkel brexit interview rn

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actually it was a little while ago

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this is better than a soap opera

see, looks just like the sports coverage

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live