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atsonicpark 11.03.2009 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
but this will never happen because as someone already said this place is used more as an "ego support" network for a small number of people who enjoy presenting a false avatar of themselves. but i think some are also probably genuinely trying to maintain friendships with each other so i can't knock it too much. most people who come here are searching for some way to be in the world, the secret they think must enable sy to do what they do, they lurk around and gradually post more and more until they are no longer in awe of the regular ones who must know something they don't because they have become them to the newer posters so they get sick of themselves. it is an unusually friendly board, we all complain but it is a lot more welcoming and civil than most.

this place is also the graveyard of a certain type of generation x attitude that is long past its sell by date and only brings misery to the sad fuckers who try to keep it up as their worldview because it is long obsolete and now just purely conservative. but you do get a certain connection here with what is new in the underground at a level of dedication and obscurity that is unusual for such a mainstream band. the likes of dj rick and nyoukis etc. who occasionaly post here, cooley's 100 strong best of the year lists. stuff like that makes it worthwhile but there is so little of it and so much of the same old bands we all know and don't get anything new out of anymore.

i want to leave but it just keeps sucking me back in with it's pointless and quick oppurtunity for attention. i wish i knew some other better board.


Great post, and I'm glad you appreciate my best-of-the-year thread.

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 04:54 AM

Did you hear Pink Reason's split with Electric Bunnies? I really fucking love ''Watching You Fall''. Great song.

edit - park

pbradley 11.03.2009 04:54 AM

That one band Divorce kicked balls.

atsonicpark 11.03.2009 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
big asses, El Topo, black metal, noise, b-movies, gothic girls, favorite painters, weed, tarot cards, and Sonic Youth all at once?


Mmmm.

terriblecanyons 11.03.2009 05:01 AM

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atsonicpark 11.03.2009 05:03 AM

No, haven't heard that one Pork, will check it out.

I don't really have anything to contribute to this thread, except that I really like this board a lot. And I dunno why. The only thing that annoys me about this board is the constant Dinosaur Valentine Pavement threads... I don't really understand the point of constantly discussing bands who haven't been relevant for 10-20 years, when we are probably living in the best time for music ever. Ah well.

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 09:42 AM

best time for music ever! HA!

fleet foxes? FLEET FOXES????

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 09:50 AM

C'mon Rob, there (they) has always (might) been shit (be) music around (giants). Always.

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 10:09 AM

I get tired of that bullshit cop out "there is always great music and always shit music."

no shit. wow. yr saying deeeep things there. how childish and simplisticminded can you get with that crap?

what I am talking about is the shifts in ALL music that happens as the public tastes ebb and flow. we are in the middle of an innocuous, safe, pussy-soft, overly sentimental and melodramatic ebb, and it may not have peaked yet.
that shit sucks.
I am waiting for that shit to die down so that in several years, there is a new influx of a lot more bands seeking to RAWK and to provide high enrgy entertainment. The same thing happened in the 5-10 years we were stuck with pearl jam clones. the kids backlashed against that selfrighteous weaknut bullshit and started to raise the skronk to 11 again.

Let's get back to THIS HIGH ENERGY FREAKOUT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBUtk...layer_embedded

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 10:20 AM

Rob, I think the only person who's being childish here is you. There has always been good music and bad music, that is a universal fact, as obvious as it is, not my own opinion. If you are stuck with Pearl Jam and Fleet Foxes, I can only assume ( nah wait, I am now certain that's the case) that it is your own fault. You don't get stuck with shit bands unless you want to. Like it or not.

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
the skronk to 11 again.



Another thing, for all your talk about raising the skronk to 11 this and raising the skrong to 11 that, I get the impression you have a very conservative taste in terms of what music can sound like or can do to do one's perception/ pleasure. Your populistic banter is ok in all its romanticism, but often I find it's only used by people who pussyfoot their way out from things that really sound like the real deal. It reminds me of when someone constantly makes a big thing of how things are in terms of their perception of ''the state of music'' - to use a pompous expression that I'm sure goes through too many a mind of so called non-mainstream listeners when they express what they think of such and such band - but a quick investigation on what tickles their fancy reveals that their curiousity for finding out stuff has a clear set of limitations somewhere, drawn somewhere inside their head, and often not apparent to themselves. This is fine, I don't see why someone shouldn't be like that. The only problem I see is that it becomes less stimulating conversing about music with them because you already know where it will end.

EVOLghost 11.03.2009 10:50 AM

hahahaha damn dood. yer a dick....



EDIT: that's kind of awesome.

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Another thing, for all your talk about raising the skronk to 11 this and raising the skrong to 11 that, I get the impression you have a very conservative taste in terms of what music can sound like or can do to do one's perception/ pleasure. Your populistic banter is ok in all its romanticism, but often I find it's only used by people who pussyfoot their way out from things that really sound like the real deal. It reminds me of when someone constantly makes a big thing of how things are in terms of their perception of ''the state of music'' - to use a pompous expression that I'm sure goes through too many a mind of so called non-mainstream listeners when they express what they think of such and such band - but a quick investigation on what tickles their fancy reveals that their curiousity for finding out stuff has a clear set of limitations somewhere, drawn somewhere inside their head, and often not apparent to themselves. This is fine, I don't see why someone shouldn't be like that. The only problem I see is that it becomes less stimulating conversing about music with them because you already know where it will end.



Nope. I just know what I like. don;t care what others like.

noisereductions 11.03.2009 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Nope. I just know what I like. don;t care what others like.


if you didnt care what others liked, then you wouldn't post pictures of La Lohan for me. :)

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 11:07 AM

 

noisereductions 11.03.2009 11:09 AM

kicks ass.

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 11:10 AM

Admittedly that post needs a lot of editing, but phone is ringing. I hope you got my point, Rob. The point being that if you listen to They Might Be Giants you don't have much to complain about ''the state of music''.

atsonicpark 11.03.2009 11:17 AM

More Lohan!

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 11:17 AM

TMBG have been around since 1982. they are no more representative of the state of music today as Bruce springsteen, or the Youth. You seem to be confused. I am talking in generatlities about the overarching flux and ebb of popular music, not specific bands, nor specifcic tastes.

I cannot wait until tomorrow, for I will be hearing Itzhak Perlman perform, and he always turns it up to 11 and brings the skronk, right?????.

Genteel Death 11.03.2009 11:25 AM

Name today's bands you think are making shit music, and then name today's bands you think are making good music, or offer the hope of making things right for you in the future. You are too vague, please namedrop.

noisereductions 11.03.2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
More Lohan!


I didn't think you were a fan. Did you f'ing watch I KNOW WHO KILLED ME yet??

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Name today's bands you think are making shit music, and then name today's bands you think are making good music, or offer the hope of making things right for you in the future. You are too vague, please namedrop.


again, I am speaking of the general flux and ebb of pop music. not about specific bands.
I am waiting for it to ebb back towards aggressive angry cathartic rawk.

Glice 11.03.2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
again, I am speaking of the general flux and ebb of pop music. not about specific bands.
I am waiting for it to ebb back towards aggressive angry cathartic rawk.


I recently stopped listening to rock as much as I did a few years ago. And by rock I mean anything with guitars. Except for live bands, and the odd venture into the murky world CDs featuring boys with guitars

And yet, even so, I could tell you there's a shit-ton of music that completely fits your criteria. Herrs Death and Bowels have named a good 20 that bring that sort of thing. Herrs Park and Releaser go on about it all the fucking time. That sounds like a complaint, but what I'm actually saying is that you have, in front of you, that you're looking at right now a MASSIVE resource of EXACTLY the sort of thing you want, and complain about there being a lack of. Which is to say, you are a river-bound horse saying "no man, I ain't drinking that ROCK water, that ROCK water doesn't ROCK".

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 12:05 PM

not complaining of a LACK. complaining of a shift in the masses where they seek out the soft shit, and it will remain so, to clog the used CD bins of the next ten years, much like all the 70's singer songwriter crap cloggged up and continues to clog up the used vinyl bins.

Toilet & Bowels 11.03.2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
best time for music ever! HA!

fleet foxes? FLEET FOXES????


why are you so fixated on music you dislike, why don't you just ignore it? do you even check out the bands people (i.e. us) recommend you? we're trying to do you a favour!
who gives a fuck about fleet foxes?! i think i heard one of there songs once, and it sucked (sounds like the beach boys with their balls cut off right?), but who fucking cares? aside from the musical aberation that was nirvana there haven't been any good popular rock bands since the 70s so what does it matter if you have to dig deeper, it's hardly new.

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 12:05 PM

fuck it I am gonna listen to techno

bleep blee blooop

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
why are you so fixated on music you dislike, why don't you just ignore it? do you even check out the bands people (i.e. us) recommend you? we're trying to do you a favour!
who gives a fuck about fleet foxes?! i think i heard one of there songs once, and it sucked (sounds like the beach boys with their balls cut off right?), but who fucking cares? aside from the musical aberation that was nirvana there haven't been any good popular rock bands since the 70s.


hell yeah I check it out. again, you are focusing on specifics when I am talking about the pop music as a whoe, trends and ebbs and flows.

Toilet & Bowels 11.03.2009 12:11 PM

fuck trends!

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 12:29 PM

SYG is as great as ever!!!!!!

Glice 11.03.2009 12:41 PM

Rob, only teenagers care about trends, or pop music. Seriously, you're older than me, and there are people posting here who are realised at the age of 16 how futile it is wanting the popular musical landscape to fit your (narrowly-defined) musical desires. If you want good music that 'skronks up to 11', listen to Marras, Bowels, Park, Releaser and all the others. If you want to whinge till the end of time about something most people stop caring about by the time they've graduated then...well, I see you've already found the internet.

Glice 11.03.2009 12:42 PM

Alternately, pop music is in the best health it's been in in my memory.

Also, techno music was, in part, a reaction to the rock dinosaurs. You don't see that because you really are too old for popular culture. As am I. As are most people here.

davenotdead 11.03.2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Alternately, pop music is in the best health it's been in in my memory.


i think i agree.


if only because of She Wolf and Party in the USA. but agree nonetheless

noisereductions 11.03.2009 12:55 PM

I love "Party In The USA". I think it's one of the absolute best singles of 2009. Seriously.

EVOLghost 11.03.2009 12:58 PM

I hate you all.



EDIT: for liking that song.

Glice 11.03.2009 12:59 PM

Given how much I raved about Breakout it might surprise you to note I don't really like Party in the USA.

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 01:40 PM

don't worry bout it dawg

just conversin'.

SYG is alive and well!!!!!!

Rob Instigator 11.03.2009 01:42 PM

I guess that is the genius of what may be the greatest oppening line in literature

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

static-harmony 11.03.2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Also, techno music was, in part, a reaction to the rock dinosaurs. You don't see that because you really are too old for popular culture. As am I. As are most people here.



I actually do think techno and its sub-genres are doing pretty well right now.

edit- it gets the kids to go every halloween.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDi2PVKlKmU

Glice 11.03.2009 01:58 PM

I've been getting pretty heavily back into dubstep of late. I'm only a good 6 years late getting on the ball with that. You're right though. I'm not sure if 'proper' techno still exists, but the guys following it are doing pretty well for themselves.

static-harmony 11.03.2009 02:06 PM

Well everything is just a derivative from techno. What gets kids dancing over here is electro. I haven't listened to any dubstep, what is good from that genre.


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