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no. there are 10. i think there are still 2 more that haven't been reached yet. |
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It's not even the technicality of whether or not you actually go and download the album. It's attitudes like this, that suggest that SY should resign themselves to that kind of behavior from fans. Worse still, that they're obligated in some way to explain themselves to us! That people dismiss their decision to have a release date, and feel that they are ENTITLED to a preview, that they somehow have co-ownership of this music (I hate to use the term ownership, but it will suffice for now). You DON'T! THEY made the album, and if THEY want you to get a preview, they'll provide a means of doing so. Until they do, NO, you don't have a "right" to any such thing! There is NOTHING to debate here! Jeeeeeeesus |
Chris, I'm bored with my hover message. When does it change?
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i just had a dream about buying "rather ripped" on vinyl... i'm not going to dl it, like i didn't dl "the greatest", because i know i want to buy it when it comes out. if you can't even bring yrself to buy the band's album, you shouldn't be on their message board calling yrself a fan. you've probably noticed that i'm into filesharing, but i try to dl things that i wouldn't be able to buy in my shitty town with its 2 music stores. you guys are fucking lame, at least if i get a leak i do something creative with it besides reviewing it or pissing off the band's messageboard...
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oh, and i think it'd be funny if the leak wasn't even the actual album. wasn't it radiohead that leaked their own demos and everyone thought it was the album?
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Haha. You people are such prudes. |
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i certainly hope sy themselves are a bit more relaxed about 2006's reality than you or mister chabib are. |
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But you're forgetting. As Sonic Youth fans, we don't have any rights. We sold our souls to them. We have to buy what they tell us to buy and when they tell us to buy it. |
My opinion on this is that it is okay to download and enjoy the album as long as you still buy it when it comes out officially.
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this whole "leaking" thing is another reason to go back to vinyl
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Hell yeah RIPfrey. We should be forced to buy the vinyl. Not that that's a bad thing.
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it would be funny. unfortunately, that's not the case in this situation. it's just lame since a band has to go thru somewhat formal hoops with a label to present their music pre-release and SY was personally spending time and energy doing that while rehearsing for tour, etc. if i were them, i'd just basically feel disheartened to spend the energy coming up with creative ways to be generous with fans when fans take it upon themselves to decide how, when and where something that isn't theirs should be **first** presented to the internet. fortunately for the less fuckwitish and impatient amongst you, it looks like the band is still doing what they have to do to develop some sort of preview strategy. |
chabib, The voice of reasoning.
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I could give a rat's ass whether you download the album or not. Nor is this an issue of whether or not it's morally acceptable to download. What's irritating me beyond measure is people making presumptions about how the band feels about this, and skewing them to suit their purposes, if not ignoring them altogether. Dumbass Poster: I totally have a right to rip the new album, cuz like, I'm a huge fan, and like, I don't feel like waiting, and like, I'm sure SY is cool with it. Chabib (paraphrased): If/when SY wants you to have previews of the album, they'll provide them. Otherwise, it'll be available on its release date. They aren't happy with leaks. Dumbass Poster (after several minutes of unsuccessful attempts at comprehension): But like, I still want it, so I'm gonig to do it anyway. Cuz like, I'm a huge fan, and since I'm an impatient whiny bastard, I don't want to have to wait for it. I still think SY is cool with it. A question has asked, an answer has been given, yet people STILL maintain it isn't the case. It's like arguing with someone about the color of the fucking sky. It isn't debatable! The issue at hand isn't so much what pisses me off - it's complete obstinate stupidity that gets me. |
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Isn't it? If it's ok to download the album, there has to be a set date for people to download it? Is that right? I'm sure Sonic Youth have obligations to their record company. Which is why they aren't "providing samples", going door to door and passing out the album, setting up a "release date" so the albums can be shipped to the retailers in a timely fashion. But, you see, I don't have any obligation to the record company. |
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Well, none of us are members of SY, are we? So we can't say that their obligation to the record company is the only reason they're enforcing the release date. If some informed source tells me that is indeed the case, then fine, have at it. But until then, I'm not going to presume to know what SY's motivations are. |
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not that you should care... a lot of people are douchebags. |
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Quite the opposite - you aren't obligated to buy shit. It's a free market, and that's the point. Correlatively, they aren't obligated to provide you with anything. They produce at will, and you consume at will. If neither of you like the other's terms, you won't comply with them. It's as simple as that. |
In all seriousness, am I completely unintelligible? Am I being especially inarticulate? I'm honestly curious.
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Alright, so my question to you, if these are Sonic Youth's intentions, and not the intentions of the label, then do their intentions really make sense? How are they being hurt or disrepected by someone downloading, not paying for the album now, where in 3 months they'll have no problem with it?
Is it because they don't like the quality of the media that's being ripped? Isn't that doing more damage to the fan who's downloading it, and providing an incentive for them to acquire the album in a higher quality later down the road? Really, I'm curious to know what you think. |
ehh, fuck all of you. you're just going to keep bitching about this for 10 more pages, aren't you?
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And the band finding me to be a complete douchebag wouldn't stop them from being ignorantasfuck in thinking it makes any difference whatsoever when the album is heard. |
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Cool. So when I have the oppurtunity to acquire the product, I will. |
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You've stopped me from sticking my oar in (oo-er), so take that as a compliment to your verbosity and correctness. Because none of us have some sort of spiritual communion with a band just by dint of buying and appreciating a couple of records, or by dint of anything other than full penetrative sex with them. |
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Even the latter could be inconsequential. I don't know how freaky they are behind closed doors. |
man,now this is completely off topic,but i can't stop reading all the hover writings on people's reputation points...i only wish they were all different,it would be funnier than most of the other things on this board (such as this thread,indeed..)
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why? because those things matter to them. their fans matter to them. their work matters to them. |
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Really, I swear, after this I'm done, because I think I want to die. The point is that it doesn't matter what any of US thinks. Let me reiterate, for the 876th time: It's THEIR album. It doesn't matter whether or not their intentions make sense; they don't have to. Who the hell are we to put into question the logic of their operations? They can do whatever the hell they want, and since it's THEIR product to distribute, they can do so however they see fit, and we as consumers don't have to agree with it. HOWEVER, as fans, we should RESPECT it. Oh my god, I just had an embolism. |
A-Men chabib. Preach the Sonic Youth gospel.
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If you appreciate SY's music, you're acknowledging the various tiny nuances that coalesce into the finished product that is their 'art.' Whether it's meticulously orchestrated or entirely random, it is their method, and if you are a fan of their work, then you should trust their conclusion that this is how the album will be best presented, both as representative of themselves and as desirable to their fans.
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All posts henceforth should be separated into 'good' and 'bad' on the grounds of "Does the post open with an insult as good as 'assrake'?" If yes, then good. |
Fuckrot.
Well it looks like all we're doing is arguing the same points over and over again. It's turning into an argument about beliefs, and that'll get us absolutely nowhere. Have you ever seen people debate Creationism vs. Evolution? In the end, no one really wins and each side walks away feeling like they are even more right. This is basically the same thing. One side can say, in so many words, "It's disrespectful to Sonic Youth!" and the other side can respond, "I don't think that it should be." And that's all there is. The discussion won't actually progress past that unless people are willing to compromise their beliefs, and man is that ever rare. (I think this qualifies as a 'good' post.) |
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I concur. And you're right about the discussion never resolving itself. I think the appeal to orthodoxy/ band communion is an incredibly shaky argument, and that seems clear enough, but yes, people never back down, and indeed, I am unlikely to back down on my beliefs, or, for that matter, care any time soon. |
see, the weird thing is... i'm not really conveying my beliefs in any of my posts. i'm just describing the empirical nature of a situation. then the occasional cuntscab says that the sky is lime-green. i say, "hey, shaftwart, yr eyes are busted. free-thinking is great, but i'm just explaining something empirical, there's not a lot of room to make it not the way it is."
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Silly prick, this is only as big of an issue as you make it. This will only turn into a judgement of someone's character if that's how you constrew it. They made the music to be heard. I'm eager to hear it. I acquire it by any means possible, when possible. I have so much respect for their music that I don't want to wait for some official release date set by the record label to hear it. Quote:
Obviously no one has to agree with anyone's intentions. We have a choice. But their intentions are obviously to have the album heard. They made the music, they didn't lock the tapes away in the vaults. They could have if they wanted to. They didn't. The album was made to be heard, I'm hearing it. End of story. |
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Thank fucking god. That's exactly the point. This debate ISN'T about beliefs or moral stances or fan devotion or band obligation. It's not even a debate! Or it wouldn't be, if people licking their own colons weren't throwing their two cents in. they're putting the album out when they want, in the format they want. No one's opinion or half-assed self-motivated pseudo-intellectual sanctimonious stance matters. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT FUCKING IS. |
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which has the very real effect of introducing frustration into the situation and causing various taps to regulate down to trickles and ultimately be completely switched off. you'll notice that there once was a time when there was a lot more audio and video available on this site. things do very realistically change--in part due to just a few opinions like your own. |
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Do you and Thurston have your slumber parties on Friday or Saturday nights? Because there's no other way you could know what anyone's intentions are. Presumption is a vehicle of character suicide. |
I'm too appalled to even insert a low-brow insult.
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Wanting to hear music. What an awful crime. If there wasn't any way to hear the album until the "release" date, I would wait until that date to hear it. But, thanks to the beauty of the internet, I can hear the music on my terms, not on the terms of a record label. I know. It's a shame. Boo hoo. |
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