Are they releasing the album? Yes? So what other conclusion is there? They want to release the music and yet hope no one purchases it or listens to it?

why are you so reluctant to admit that you are quite wrong about this record label thing?

uff, what an interesting opinions....such a huge thread

FACTS are, that the album have been leaked on the net. we, people have a two options (personally I'm going to wait) get it, or wait till its official release, and debate about what it real and right about listening and buying/trading of music can go on between two camps for fucking ages. I just do not like the fact that some kind of an early version of the official release have been leaked out and I can't really understand that!?!!!!???, there's where everything have started. especially when band doesn't like leaked stuff. so why? is it really so hard to keep it safe before official release date????

Perhaps if I bash my head against the wall repeatedly, I will render myself blind and therefore incapable of reading.

Am I hallucinating this? Can this possibly be happening? Are you people actually roaming about freely in society?

see, again. that's not even really the issue. the issue is that they prefer to be able to ***give*** these things to their fans within some sort of context and that they personally go out of their way to make that happen. it's really pretty simple.

then some of you reply, "well, so what. it's out there. i'll take it if i want it."

so what? no shit. you'll take it if yr a selfish twat or you'll wait for the fruits of the band's behind the scenes efforts if you want to play **their** (not the record label's) game with them.

what's there to argue? i don't get it. it's like yr just rationalizing yr greed, impatience, need for clout, whatever in a public forum to vindicate yr decisions. great! do what you do. it doesn't make you less of a pollop to rationalize aloud. it just makes the cancer that is some of you a more visible cancer.

but also, like i said... i haven't received a promo copy of the record. have any of you? i'm still uncertain as to whether or not they exist.

ha ha chabib is the one who leaked it while drunk,he forgot that when he woke up messed up the next day,and now here we are...ha ha....just kidding.
a question (i don't have the balls to search back ),the leaked version is a rip of the official finished work or not?i guess nowadays leaking is part of the distribution of a record,even if it's not a choice of the artist.just please STOP talking about that,CHABIB told us sy's thoughts,everybody knows it's out there,everybody will choose to dl it or not,no matter what other people say on here.i go to bed (even if it's 8pm here).

this is the first time (in the last three geffen sy records) that i haven't wished the leaked version was an unfinished copy

I just saw somebody that have the record on Slsk. But, I won't download it. Someone sent me Do You Believe In Rapture yesterday, and I don't want more, I'll wait now

It stuns me that anyone can say 'I really wanted it' or 'music distribution has changed' and use that as a justification for theft, or even as a justification for dismissing the wishes of a group who are so generous with their art (downloads, streaming, encouraging bootleg trading etc).


That presenter on the Air America interview with Thurston said something that made it sound like he'd heard a copy.

promo copious

Didn't someone post a picture of a review copy back jewel case photo on this board somewhere? It looked official and had the tracklisting with the exception of a song being renamed?

what I'm having trouble understanding is that this is promised material. This leak wasn't a show that happened in some small club in New Paltz that people want to jam to. This is a official release with an offical release date. The meals coming don't fill up on bread type shit.
Around the time NYC G's and F's was coming out Thurston played a gig at Tonic and he gave out some copies of the new cd. I'm pretty sure this was before the release. I wasn't in attnedance my friend Matt was and we hung out later that night. But see how if it was before the release date then that's a honest leak. Now far and few between would have this access which doesn't really make it elitist just rare and special.
When something is just thrown onto the internet without any thought other than "i want it now" it just has dirty undertones hell even overtones the whole tone smells of greed.
Now the argument that its music and I'll pay for it later and you know i'm entitled is yours to have. But if someone took something I had worked on and showed it to you before I was ready I'd be pissed and no argument would change my mind. Sure if I had some cancer drug brewing and your grandma had cancer I'd understand but man this is art. Art doesn't deserve to be shafted.

[quote=Hip Priest]It stuns me that anyone can say 'I really wanted it' or 'music distribution has changed' and use that as a justification for theft, or even as a justification for dismissing the wishes of a group who are so generous with their art (downloads, streaming, encouraging bootleg trading etc).
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i won't dl it,even if i said "music distribution has changed"(more or less),so i didn't mean that it's a justification for theft,i meant that for many (MANY) guys downloading an album before it even gets released is considered "normal"...and i don't think they will change their mind/habits even if chabib explained sy's point of view clearly.peace!

yes!
 

exactly and fair play to it!
that's why i'm "raging" over it (leaked stuff), that this happened, which is fact and i do not like, but it is a fact.

i'll wait. that's it. i'm quiet now.

I wasn't suggesting you, but there have certainly been people earlier on in this thread who see that as a justification. I suspect they know how weak their lame argument is - would any of them stand in a court and use that defence hoping people to accept their reasoning? Or would they accept similar justifications as an excuse for someone stealing from them?

As I've said, I just find it worse when it's a band who are decent people and who actually make an effort to be generous to their fans. It's foul that they don't get respect in return. They even put two versions of 'Sleeping Around' on their website and we're allowed to hear some of the other songs via the Thurston solo show.

And even for other bands, there's so much unnofficial stuff floating around in the form of live shows, unreleased tracks etc that it's just bad form to have leaked this.

Presumably, the leak at some point came from someone either close to the band or working at some level with the band. I wonder if anyone knows who started it?

http://216.70.73.169/gossip/showthre...ghlight=ripped

Found it, here's the pic that was posted of the review copy (back) the link above is from the Rather Ripped Facts topic on this board

Just scroll down to #36

see. thanks. i guess they did indeed already send out promos. i didn't get one. i don't care. i'll hear it eventually.

i really don't understand what some people's rush is though.

ok chris so i have to ask you (forgive my socratic ways), would they be ok with it if it was a quality rip, like those files sold over e-music or itunes??

i for one wouldn't mind getting some free mp3s from this site, or a stream or something... you did a good job w/ the latest mixtape because ********I PLEAD THE FIFTH*******-- seriously, something like the mixtape w/ the new album tracks would be really cool.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T find out what it means to me.

i think they'd be okest if they were afforded the opportunity to directly control both the quality of source files and distribution. it being an imperfect world, we all know that's not entirely possible.

i just wish that everyone on the board and on other SY fan fora could have caught a few of my hints and accepted them before things got too far along. at this point, sleeping giants have been awakened and things are way out of my hands and the possibility of doing things in a civil, respectful fashion where personal accountability and ethics could have made a difference isn't really an option anymore.

i tried.

What do you mean, hints? I think the basic notion of respecting copyrights/artistic license was, if not already self-evident (as it should've been), pretty clearly stated.

I'm still appalled by some of the situations in which people on this forum were unclear on what was acceptable to pass around and what wasn't.

i dunno, but if i were one of the cavalier assholes sharing the files in any way shape or form, i'd seriously reconsider that decision.

i'd also likely be shitting myself if i was the twatwad who decided to rip and share one of the original watermarked promo discs.

it really has to suck to be stupid.

"...sleeping giants have been awakened..."

on the news: RIAA lawyers coming to a home near you.

Another thing that appalls me - those who have the balls to do this ON SONIC YOUTH'S VERY OWN SITE!

This thread alone has sapped some of my will to live.

i think chabib is just pissed becuz he never got a promo himself..

haha. when i get a promo it means, "habib. make something for us."

i'm definitely in no rush to get a promo.

i think its ok to download it if its only becuz you can not wait to hear it. :) like many others i plan to buy the cd and vinyl versions, see them at least 3 times this summer, fly to england to see them there etc.

Everyone is making way too big of a deal out of this free downloading thing. If Sonic Youth authorize the free trading of live bootlegged shows, then people should be free to share their official album realeases as well. There is NO difference between the two occurences. It's like one person watching a movie on payperview and video-recording it on their vcr and making a copy for a few of yr friends. Once they have their copies, then they are responsible for their actions. It doesnt matter becuz people (many, many people) will still go out to the shows and the stores and buy their stuff. Tshirts, records, stickers, live show tickets, etc. Besides, most bands make the bulk of their money from touring, not from record sales. Ands since the record companies have prosecuted people in the past for illegally downloading music, it has scared most of the people away from the technology. More people use itunes and other stuff like that to get music from the internet.

To chabib, promo means.....work, & who likes work. When I hear "promo", it's usually from an LP jacket saying, "For promotional use only, NOT FOR SALE"

I'm agree even with that! then, there is even many people that goes regularly to their (sy) gigs and they are downloading the record cause however they wouldn't bought it. dont forget that in exchange they have mp3 quality. worst who rips a record from the original in 2 minutes!
I definitely think that in front of all this everyone cans decide what to do but NOT USING THIS FORUM!
Internet needs laws but not against people that download stuff, laws exactly to the other side.
'downloading' is not my work!

you know what? do whatever the fuck you want. i really tried to help you out. if you don't care... fine. it's all out of my hands anyway.

you can have whatever opinion you want on the issue. the fact of the matter is that the corporation who owns the music has a different opinion and their's is backed up by law. i hoped it wouldn't get to that point and that people would just respect the band's personal preference and that woould be ok and keep everyone out of trouble, but some of you seem to really be putting yrselves out there and asking for trouble.

you really are dumb as fuck.

Wow, chabib calling some people out.

Trust me I've been on the receiving end, it doesn't feel to good does it?

I can't seem to help coming back to this thread. It's like the undeniable impulse to gawk at the carnage of a bad car wreck.

Every time I open this thread, I lose a bit more faith in humanity.

In all seriousness though, we've established that you are in contact with SY enough to say, objectively, what the actual situation is, beyond a shadow of a doubt. We've also established that there are a lot of people who are ignorant, contemptuous, or just plain ignoring this situation - which is their choice, albeit one that is clearly slightly dubious. I suspect the reason they are contemptuous of the objective situation from the point of view of the artists and the record company concerned. I suspect the reason they are contemptuous is because so many artists and record companies just waffle a lot and don't actually do anything; it seems like you're saying such people are causing the artists/ record companies to give less away free to the 'fans', such as they are. I would like to know whether or not, legally, the record company are actually going to set a precedent and come down on such people, or, as so often occurs in these cases, they are just going to let it slide due to the usual difficulties in chasing up such things - or are the lessened free junkets for fans the manifestation of this?

This Just In: Sonic Youth Sues Fans

you gotta ask yourself, do geffen care enough to sue a few people on a message board who have confessed to downloading the new LP (many of whom intend to buy it on release).. how would they go about proving this? i don't know what it's like in the US but in UK courts I can't really see them providing sufficient evidence/ or having a strong enough case..

yr incredibly pathetic

Yeah... I'm not so sure that Geffen woudl sue people for downloading songs, but I think there've been a lot of people on this board being very public about the acquisition of property which is not actually theirs to distribute (ie the promo of the new album) which I suspect is a lot easier to trace (IP's, that kind of thing) which, in turn, is what I think chabib was getting at.

I just keep coming back to see how many times you're going to make the same post.

Studies show that repetition and rote rehearsal work best with the learning impaired.

I guess some bullshit just can't be bought, no matter how much it's repeated.