Deftones are more fun, yes. I miss Numetal, at least Numetal fans had more fun than people who like Razorlight etc.

:eek: *shudder*

In the UK it was very easy to see it as an oppositional thing full of mediocrity. Whereas the mediocrity now comes from bands like The Kooks or The View, who look like bands who should be meaningful but are in fact vacuous and empty

I can't listen to The Kooks without imagining twentysomething students in a pub, with leather jackets drinking a pint of Carling. They are all watching the football and talking about how great the Keane and Razorlight are. The Kooks write music for the 'Decent Lad' who to quote Ray Davies "Like their Football on a Saturday and Roast Beef on Sunday".

I Hate 'Lads', but I hate 'Decent Lads' even more....

Did anyone else discover real music through getting into Nu metal when they were 14?

The whole Nu-Metal thing completely passed me by...when I started getting into Rock Music when i was 13/14 I was really more into 'Skater Punk' (whatever that was), it seemed to have more relevence to me at the time.

I couldn't agree more with you. The lovable rogues clogging up the charts are about the most depressing symptom of what are turning into such very boring times.

Ray Davies, Paul Weller, Noel Gallagher, Mani, shoot them all at dawn.

Deftones aren't "nu-metal" at all.

Anyway, KoRn has a couple good songs. "Good God" is a hit!

Yeah I hate the normality of the music, How utterly unoffensive and ordinary it all is. Just take a look at the names...

'Keane' - Their name says it all, total indifference, music for people who don't really like music - Razorlight, Snow Patrol, Embrace all come into this catagory

'The Kooks' - *sigh* 'Kooky' is a word to describe someone who is a bit off the wall, but not so much as to cause any offense to ones parents...those fucking nice fucking blokes

I agree that all the above should be shot apart from Ray Davies - His subtile wit, genius observations on British society and killer songwriting skills mark him out from the rest of those idiots...knight him even, Sir Ray Davies seems wholly appropriate in fact!

The Kooks are Cast. theyre exactly the same! I feel i am the only one who sees this

yeah, that song is awesome; life is peachy is fucking great, if korn broke up in 1997 and didn't become famous, people like sonic youth fans would love them, because their first two albums are all weirdly produced and they used a lot of pedals and dissonance, and they don't have subgenre stigmas like thrash/speed/death/black/power metal.

static-x are also pretty good, they succeeded at what many people have tried, taking ministry's sound and doing one better, the problem is that they don't go anywhere from there, but at least they are consistent. silly hair notwithstanding.

Neurotic, I can't get into Korn solely for the retarded way the bassist plays/sounds...

(I'm thinking the right band. right?)

you couldn't hear the bass on the first two records, they play SEVEN string guitars remember? on latter records, they tried to put the bass more upfront and well, he has a shitty bass sound.

then again, fieldy is a shitty bass player.

I cant blame Mani, Gallagher, Weller et al for the festering mediocrity that there is in British popular guitar music at the minute. Youll never get something truly amazing being popular but you expect pop music which you can feel a kind of kinship with. Maximo Park i think fit this bill as do Arctic Monkeys to a lesser extent.

Not me. I discovered real music through Nirvana, and Smashing Pumpkins, and Nine Inch Nails. Then a whole bunch of skanky nu-metal drove a plow through what I loved and dissipated the integrity.

yeaa didnt korn wear like masks and stuff? i dont think this world needs another GWAR let alone an MTV unplugged GWAR

Yeah i've said it before The Smashing Pumpkins were the first band I ever really loved. They opened up a whole new world for me. But certainly I arrived at the Pumpkins from the usual avenues, Green Day, Avril Lavigne, Bon Jovi. Those were the bands that made me start listening to rock music. The Pumpkins were the band that made me love it. Once I had heard 1979 there was no going back. Something about that music made more sense to me than what I was listening to before...

People criticize bands like Green Day, but kids never make a jump from their pre-teen Britney records straight to Hair Police do they? These things usually go in stages. If you had handed my 13 or 14 year old self a copy of EVOL or Daydream Nation I wouldn't have given them a second listen. In fact I would have told you to fuck off and listen to 'Blizzard of Ozz'....I always have to remember this when I see black clad 14 year olds in Trivium Hoodies...

Yeah, I had daydream nation when I was 12 or so ('94) and it didn't appeal to me. But my point is that it didn't appeal to me because I had nirvana and smashing pumpkins. I feel lucky to have that instead of avril and fallout boy. I got to go from good to better, instead of bad to good. Kids today don't have shit from music. That's why I criticize green day, and britney.

I see your point. But Nirvana exploding was a very special time. I would have Killed to be a teenager then. I do think its a testiment to Kurt's incredable music that it seems to mean as much to kids now as it did back then. I think a vast majority of people on this board would have never have gotten into bands like Sonic Youth without Nirvana. What i'm really trying to say is bands like Nirvana only come along ever so often in the meanwhile if Green Day and a bunch of other fun singalong Pop-Punkers act as a stepping stone thats all right by me. The problem comes when they dont grow out of it...

Well, in the 90s there was nirvana, smashing pumpkins, nine inch nails, tool....

In the 80s there was the cure, new order, some good david bowie, certainly some good music. (I struggle with the 80s because I consider it the second most dead decade thanks to the commercialism of hair metal and shitty bryan adams rock)

In the 60s and 70s there were beatles, zeppelins, fleetwood macs, rolling stones, dylans, donovans, judy collinses and jimi hendrixes.

I could name a slew of amazing and influential mainstream bands for every decade except this one. What've we got, mars volta?

Edit: I guess I think that >10 years is too long for there not to be a nirvana level influence