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you’d have no control...

makes perfect sense then

and further, it makes sense either from a protectionist or a free trade perspective

reminds me of dc’s “taxation without representation” situation (tl;dr, dc residents pay federal tax but have no voting congressmember and not senators]

All that link does is show why it was better to be in the EU than out. You can complain about how we won't have any control over the customs union now but if we were in the EU we would still have the right to veto any proposals given forward by Brussels. I say this acknowledging the system is fucked within the EU but we were in a stronger position to try and change things from within than out.

Never going understand how you can be so strong about just wanting to leave with no deal. And I'm sure you'll not even try to put a reasonable argument forward.

this is the kind of line that shits all over the place on the unmentionable thread

impugning people's motives, making accusations, discounting perspectives that don't agree with ours...

just ask for the fucking reasonable argument without embedding the insult, and we can all keep pretending we're open-minded reasonable people capable of mutual understanding in the face of disagreement

Already did and didn't get a reply which is why I said it. And I've asked it a couple of times.

And cmon man, you're the worst out of all of us for discounting perspectives you don't agree with and generally poo-pooing anyone's opinions that differ from you.

here? lml...

i cant find it.

OK LET’S JUST ASK HIM AGAIN STRAIGHT.

i’ll be witness

ask.

It's literally on the last page!

But here it is again

the only thing i see repeating is you saying "i don't understand".

the first one asks about immediate consequences? but also seems to be about absolute consequences.

the second again declares incomprehension and adds insults.

just ask a clear straight non-loaded question that can be answered.

so (forgive me for "helping"). are you're trying to ask him about brexit being a final and absolute mess? or are you trying to ask him about getting past the immediate negative consequences? i.e., what is his long term view?

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eta: i'll add i don't think he'd choose brexit if he thought it was suicide, so maybe the right question is about what kind of future he sees post-brexit and how does he see overcoming the short-term negatives.

i've never known the guy to be unreasonable. except in that colombia-england game lolololololooooooo

I consider the EU not just undemocratic but anti-democratic; its interests not with the people of its member states but with an increasingly centralised and unrepresentative style of government; it controls through a normalisation of austerity and - long term - scares the living shit out of me far more than the (admitted) uncertainties of leaving it.

He was being 100% reasonable in any of his comments relating to that game.

i can't believe how you even i'm sure not gonna ever :D :D :D

Not asking or expecting anyone to agree with me but I did write this as a way of explaining my position

I don't wan't a no deal but I'd take that if I thought the only deal on offer was worse than walking away without one.

yeah that was evident. been waiting for h8kurdt's response since yesterday and im sure it won't be much longer.

but in the meantime let me ask: what is the sort of deal that you'd like to see?

I'd be happy with a simple trade agreement (via some kind of national membership fee) so long as we aren't required to adopt any of its non-trade related regulations as a condition of that membership.

looks like parliament is gonna take it away from her?

Fuck me it's something every single day. Now Rees-Mogg has decided he now wants May's deal to go through even though he'd been repeatedly saying that it was the worst deal this side of Pardew getting an 8 year contract at Newcastle (I may have said the last bit).

How does anyone take him seriously? He's Boris Johnson in a double breasted suit and nothing more.

As to why I wouldn't want a no deal to go through? Isn't it obvious?

no, a reply to demonyo for which you asked twice and...

lmao, ok, never mind.

you have bigger things to worry about than some faceless guy’s expectations on an internet forum. maybe a good day to go climb and forget things.

i woke up to news that made me dyspeptic but belong to the unmentionable thread. im ready to go on a long road trip to nowhere, lololol

Both me and him agreed a while ago to generally agree to disagree on Brexit.

However, I will say that a simple trade agreement with all of the EU is never gonna happen. Simple as in no tariffs across the board? The EU would never go for it. The closest we could get would be similar to the Norway deal. However, the EU shot that idea down a long time ago.

Haha I appreciate that

Yes, we agree to disagree on this. We could go back and forth arguing our case but it's too fundamental a difference of opinion, and the topic too toxic to ever just be banter. I've never claimed to speak for or represent the Leave vote as a group, many of whom I find awful and I certainly distance myself from those politicians who've tried to hijack it for their own ends (especially Boris and Farage). My issue has always been about democracy and I'm happy just to leave it at that.

the pound is on a rollercoaster today with all the back and forths

moog synthesizer favors may’s deal, pound rallies

whip fails at containing multiple choice, hesitation

bercow says no, freefall

etc etc (right now slowly climbing back)

gonna be an interesting ride from tonight and monday!

May announcing she's quitting starts a whole new subplot as the tories start thinking about her replacement.

as i understand she didn't say how soon after ha ha ha

(everything gets parsed to death with these things)

The general consensus is she'll step down may 22nd.

oh i see.

news are coming out that her deal is increasingly likely to pass

bunch of former opponents now supporting

Swear you wouldn't see as many flip flops on Miami beach as you would in parliament tonight

Doesn't even bare thinking about. Who do you reckon will get it?

boris bercow-moog

i just heard him scream DIVISIOOOOOOOOOON!!! like he was getting a bayonet in the ribs

DUP sez no support for may, pound crashes HARD

I think the MPs want Jeremy Hunt but I can see the members (and therefore ultimately the party) going ...

So I suppose the next question is would Boris beat Corbyn, given a gen. election would almost inevitably come soon after the new Tory leader is announced.

Chuka sobbing quietly in the background "but but the people want a rational centre!" as Boris and Corbyn send both sides into enthusiastic fits

Boris will do something like this the day his leader campaign is announced and the right-wing media and Brexiteers will completely lap it up. They love it.

sssssssso...

im reading at the summary of yesterday's news and it looks like the tories would rather have no deal than any other viable option?

a customs union and a new referendum got the most votes but got rejected, the dupes won't back may, and so...

what's left? nothing?

why not just do it tomorrow then?

so ingleses, will you end up with an accidental no-deal?

the price of the pound says you’re getting reamed right now

but it could go way lower. i can only see this century prices, circa $1.20, in 2016...

guess i’ll be buying my laphroaig cheap... especially if europa has trouble importing lol

the pound going down the shitter seems to be saying may will fail AGAIN