Nuclear/Thermonuclear Weapons (Time lapse of every single detonation on Earth)
 

http://memolition.com/2013/10/16/tim...ever-on-earth/

Crazy when you see how many. Since 1950 cancer rates have skyrocketed around the USA and the world. The nuclear weapons program put tons and tons of radioactive material into the ecosystem, which was previously buried deep deep underground. Not only that, they spread radioactivity throughout the atmosphere.

sickening, what was the god damn point??

the cancer isn't from nuclear testing, its from industrial pollution, urban waste, and the terrible things we eat which we mistakenly called "food". That, and point blank, 40 years ago over HALF of all Americans smoked tobacco, and now those people continue to pay the piper. I'd be willing to wager that since smoking rates are down to 20% and more particularly smoking habits (indoors to outdoors) and attitudes have changed that in twenty years our cancer rates will drop significantly. Just a hunch ;)

Unfortunately smoking is on the rise around the world, so I fear a lot of "developing nations" will suddenly in a few decades time find themselves burdened with cancer related mortality :(

2056 times we humans have spread radioactive uranium, and plutonium thorughout our oceans and atmosphere. SUUUURE that did not affect cancer rates, which skyrocketed after 1950.

wasting money, scaring our "enemies", giving the military/industrial complex a fat boner.

Oh I'd guess what with Fukushima continuing to pump radiation into the environment for what, 2 years without restriction and no end in sight,the nuclear wars the US has been promoting in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years, and the use of deadly high fructose corn "syrup", and the absolute total saturation of our environment with wifi microwaves and other electromagnetic pollution, the psycopathic addition of toxic fluoride in the water supply, I disagree, cancer is a huge growth industry and will continue to be for generations.

Accept for people living in the four corners regions particularly much of Nevada, yeah, that is exactly what I am saying. The world is a HUGE place, and dilution and dispersion work magic. Its not a conspiracy, its obvious, industrial pollution and smoking were rampant for a long time.

(a) The radiation coming out of Fukushima is much less dangerous than say Chernobyl, it has a much shorter half-life.

(b) I don't understand why y'all aren't seeing the obvious, over half of Americans between 1930-1970 smoked tobacco, a known carcinogen, and these put out tons and tons of tobacco smoke a year, into their local homes, workplaces, and neighborhoods. The combined effects of this on smokers and as decades of second hand smoke have easily contributed to our terrifying cancer rates. That, and from the 1920s to the late 1970s industrial pollution was an afterthought, companies literally dumped immense volumes of this shit into the air and water with impunity. Its no brainer. As industrial pollution and smoking rates decline, significantly, we should logically see a decline in cancers. Of course, in the "developing world" both pollution and smoking are on the rise exponentially so as our rates drop the overall rates globally will increase :(

Industrial pollution and smoking do not account for the rise in leukemia, brain cancer, colon cancer, breast cancer, bone cancer, etc. It is a factor in skin, throat, lung cancer, but humans smoked for hundreds of years before 1950. HUmans nuked the Earth 2056 times since 1943.

I'm not saying that nuclear testing was harmless, indeed, in Nevada and Arizona, as you've said, there are perhaps a fifty-fold increase in such cancers than should be expected on average. However, you're implying a global impact, and the data just doesn't support it. There isn't a direct correlation between all cancers and the number of nuclear tests, but I'm just not seeing how you can be so dismissive of industrial pollution, which has been a plague. The combination of this pollution with high smoking rates surely has a more significant impact because its been more far reaching. Either way, with all three in decline (nuclear testing, smoking, and pollution) in "developed" world, our cancer rates surely will be in decline, but with all the same increasing around the world, global rates should rise :(

I fully agree. China will have MILLIONS of cancer victims. Their pollution levels are at Mexico City high.

Agreed, especially considering that there are almost ONE BILLION cigarette smokers in China and India combined. YIKES!! Yes, and in the 1970s-1990s we had horrifying cancer rates in Europe and the US. The world is catching up just as we're getting better. Its sort of like the turn of the 19th/20th century around the world, slums and fucked up industrial wastelands. Where are the "third-world" muckrakers? Where is Nigeria or Bolivia or Ukraine's The Jungle??

for every regulation in the USA "protecting" kids from tobbaco, or mandating stiff penalties etc., there are international trade deals which allow Phillip Morris and their ilk to market cigarrettes directly to children all over the developing world.
http://youtu.be/x4c_wI6kQyE

I know, this is a fucking HUGE tragedy. I was watching a documentary about "pygmies" living in the "jungles" in Gabon, these folks were in what we could call "abject poverty." They had ONE single bullet and went on a hunt for two days to bring back game large enough to supplement the diet of an entire village. The whole time, dudes were smoking Marlboro reds. Sure, the film crew might have brought some along to share, but how do folks living in the bush in Gabon develop a habit for filtered cigarettes in the first place? Because they are passed out free like penny candies across the developing world. Its called branding, the middle class is rising exponentially, yesterday's countryman is tomorrows urbanite, so if they are branded when they are too poor to afford a product, when they get money its the first thing they buy, hence Nike billboards in the slums of Lagos.

Chernobyl released most of its radiation in one burst. Fukushima continues to spread radiation into the environment, 2 years later. They are examples of pure human evil at work.

sure, I hear your argument, but I would argue back pollution is not being reduced, just being transformed. So we use unleaded gas now, but the chemical frakking process is poisoning the deep water table, forever. We don't burn off garbage anymore, but we have saturated the environment with micoowave wifi.

You're just too positive in your outlook, man!

Yes, but what is being released frm Fukushima and what was released by Chrenobyl are significantly different. The majority of radioactive contaminants from Fukushima will decay within two years, whereas much of Chernobyl's release have half-lives between 20-1,000 years. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in the long arc, the BP oil spill in the gulf will have more of a global impact than the Fukushima disaster. Radiation is part of life, the toxicity of petrochemicals, even in their pure/natural state, is much more severe.


Pollution has not only changed form, its been significantly reduced. From factories to our homes, America was a rather toxic place until Ralph Nader badgered the EPA into having something somewhat resembling teeth. I like you am also very concerned about the potential impact of the exponential increase in microwave radiation from "smart phones" we've never had anything on this scale (we're talking about BILLIONS of devices in use).. Even if it doesn't cause cancer, what other kinds of cognitive harm might it have?

You're just too positive in your outlook, man![/quote]

this. in many places healthy food is an expensive option as well. many poor people in america have to eat garbage to sustain themselves.

I don't buy that argument, when I was poor and unemployed I ate well, but frugally. And I ate my meals and was done with eating. but it took some effort, I had to shop consciously and not just buy shit.

What I do understand is for a single parent working 2 jobs it is not easy to cook healthy.

So you can spend $20 at mcDonalds on shit, or $20 on beans and rice and some veggies that will feed you for several days.

Doesn't most of the oil decay within a certain period of time?

The wikipedia makes it like Fukushima was fine, nothing to see here move along, but I do note "In a leaked TEPCO report dated June 2011, it was revealed that plutonium-238, −239, −240, and −241 were released "to the air" from the site during the first 100 hours after the earthquake, the total amount of plutonium said to be 120 billion becquerels (120 GBq) — perhaps as much as 50 grams" - we don't really know what happened at either environmental disaster, the truth was suppressed.

I'm going to go with my instincts, that tell me and a nuclear plant pumping out radiation for 2 years+ is just not a good thing. I take your point about half life of iodide and cesium. Supposedly, they can't eve located the uranium fuel it has melted so far down into the bedrock.

nucliar? hmmm
nucliar? hmmm
nucliar? hmmm

those are my alphabrainwaves effected by nucliar radiation

it is time to do something usefull with the nucliar bombs

i know many of you are in favor of blowing isreal and palestina headache of the planet together with afganistan, iraque, iran, pakistan, somalia and maybe so more places

it was designed to end war and it did for a short time
and then ..

it went bad again, propaganda machines where started and weakminded people believed the propaganda and wars started

hate for americans
hate for jews
hate for muslims
hate for this and that

all orginased by psychopats who want revenge
blind lowbrain apes

one big mess of war

wich nucliar boms didn't stop

the message of peace didn't send out on tv
the message to stop humantraffic didn't send out on tv (now these days it do with the cnn freedom project )
everthing went into war, terrorist and whores, humantraffic, internet millionairs, overpopulation ( 4 doubled in 100 years time)
on top of that nature disasters

so nucliar bombs didn't stop that
the psychopats machines drove the people into the agression and deaths
not to peace and love

another strategie is used suicide bombers
now it is drones vs suicide terrorist

ugly war
still not ended

i don't follow an apespecie with 93% chimpansee simulair DNA
not even if they name jesus or mohamed

c'mon be real

information used as tool to kill people or hate people??

it is up to everyone to follow peace and love
and not crazy apes who have information online or in books

peace and love is peace and love
it is not another message
it is clear

This I did not know, and it could seriously change the entire equation. You've been talking about whats leaking into the water, which will degrade to safe levels in a relatively short time, less than a crude oil spill like the Exxon Valdeez or what the fuck Shell has been doing to Nigeria or Venezuela. However, if the fuel itself isn't contained, then we have a Chernobyl situation, where the hazard and risk increase rather than decrease. Radioactive contaminated water is one thing, but the fuel sources can continue to irradiate the entire plant. If such is the case with the fuel itself, then indeed you're right.

Interestingly even that incident mentions a correlation with tobacco smoking.. Sad just the same, as I said, folks who were in the four-corners regions from the earl 1950s through the 1960s test ban era ALL have elevated cancer rates. The problem is because of smoking and toxic living pretty must that entire generation has elevated cancer rates :(

Dude, the people it talked about being affected by cancer in that movie shoot weren't Mormons from Saint George, Utah, they were movie people from LA, and it specifically said that the director and crew members who died from cancer were smokers ;)

There's alwasy some talk that John Wayne's cancer came from this.

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Chief Engineer: Unlike a cloud of smoke that passes over, Fukushima continues to spew cesium into the ocean and strontium too, I have to add. So the net effect is that the spigot hasn’t been turned off yet, and we’re contaminating the Pacific Ocean in the process […] It’s not heavier than water, it’s very, very small particles that sort of float almost like dust in air, so that it is moving in the entire water column across the Pacific. […] We’ve got contamination of the aquatic chain. […] the top of the food chain animals will likely become contaminated.


supposedly the radiation plum in the ocean is about to hit the west coast - so there must be something with a half life of more than 8 days int he plum or the "experts" would be harping on that

http://enenews.com/nytimes-unprecede...stion-is-why-v

New York Times, November 24, 2013: It began with the anchovies, miles and miles of them [...] in the waters of Monterey Bay. Then the sea lions came, by the thousands [...] the pelicans [...] bottlenose dolphins [in groups of 100 or more have been spotted] [...] But it was the whales that astounded even longtime residents — more than 200 humpbacks [...] and, on a recent weekend, a pod of 19 rowdy orcas [...] the water in every direction roiled with mammals [...] For almost three months, Monterey and nearby coastal areas have played host to a mammoth convocation of sea life that scientists here say is unprecedented in their memories [...] never that anyone remembers have there been this many or have they stayed so long [...] Last month, so many anchovies crowded into Santa Cruz harbor that the oxygen ran out, leading to a major die-off. Marine researchers are baffled about the reason for the anchovy explosion. [...]

In July, it was confirmed that some 300 tonnes of underground water, which included contaminated water, were flowing into the sea every day. [...][frm Fukushima]

Do you have any data to support this conjecture about elevated cancer rates for The Conqueror crew? Here is what a google search and five minutes found..


Its indisputable that there was a measurable increase in cancer among military personnel, scientists, and yes, ordinary folks living "downwind" in the four corners, but as to this particular incident and film crew I'm not as sure as there are "in scientific terms" many conflating variables ;)

http://www.eurasiareview.com/2711201...war-interview/

RJ: The government has set “legally acceptable” levels of contamination in food. For example, there is a legally allowable level for caesium in rice. So if some rice is contaminated above this legal level it is not removed from the food supply, but rather is mixed with uncontaminated rice until it is below this level. This is a process for moving contaminated food into the food supply, not excluding it.

what the fyuck?????????


a thread on nuclear where SUCHFRIENDS is the voice of reason and rationality answering every untruth for 2 pages with total calm good sense and intelligence?

bizarro.

Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.

even a broken clock is right twice a day!

though i'll admit i'm just trolling, because i haven't read this thread

and in reaction, Japan is reverting to traditional repressive fascism...

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Upt386VRGf0

[quote=SuchFriendsAreDangerous]
(a) The radiation coming out of Fukushima is much less dangerous than say Chernobyl, it has a much shorter half-life.

This page argues thousands of pounds of plutonium were rleeased intot he environment

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com...n-here-is.html

The most scary instances of the sensitivity of the foetus to radiation are the sex ratio studies of Hagen Scherb, a German biostatician and member of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR). With his colleague Christina Voigt he has published a series of papers showing a sudden change in the sex ratio of newborns after various radiation exposure incidents.
Sex ratio, the number of boys born to 1,000 girls is a well accepted indicator of genetic damage and perturbations in the normal ratio of 1,050 (boys to 100 girls) are due to the deaths before birth of radiation damaged individuals of one sex or the other depending on whether the father (sperm) or mother (egg) was most exposed.
We found such an effect (more girls) in our study of Fallujah, Iraq, where there was exposure to Uranium weapons. But Scherb and Voigt have looked at the major catastrophes, Chernobyl, the weapons tests fallout, near nuclear sites in data from many countries of the world. Huge datasets.
They estimate that millions have babies have been killed by these subtle internal radiation exposures. The nuclear military project is responsible for an awful lot of deaths. In years to come I believe this will eventually be seen as the greatest public health scandal in human history.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/11/...fornia-babies/


When They ask at the Judgement Day, "Jim, what did you do about Fukushima?" I'll say, I posted about it on the Sonic Youth board.

In the October case, homeless men were rounded up at Sendai's train station by Sasa, then put to work clearing radioactive soil and debris in Fukushima City for less than minimum wage, according to police and accounts of those involved. The men reported up through a chain of three other companies to Obayashi, Japan's second-largest construction company.
Obayashi, which is one of more than 20 major contractors involved in government-funded radiation removal projects, has not been accused of any wrongdoing. But the spate of arrests has shown that members of Japan's three largest criminal syndicates - Yamaguchi-gumi, Sumiyoshi-kai and Inagawa-kai - had set up black-market recruiting agencies under Obayashi.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9BT00520131230

There is talk there was a secret nuclear arms program at this site which is why no foreigners are allowed.

Oleg Dvoynikov, the editor-in-chief of Pro atom magazine, Jan. 22, 2014: “As far as the cooling of earth is concerned, surely, it’s possible to do it from a technical point of view. But they will need a nitrogen unit, practically, a plant working non-stop. It’s bad the Japanese won’t let any foreign experts visit the station. And there were offers of help, not only from Russia but from many other countries too [...] Even if the soil around the nuclear power plant is totally frozen, this won’t fully eliminate the danger [...] I believe that the liquidation of the Fukushima accident’s consequences might have been much better organized if the works were managed not by the company that operates the Fukushima plant but by the Japanese government. This would have made the works much more effective – and much cheaper. [...] The Japanese are behaving rather strangely [...] First, for some reason, they do not hurry to clean up the consequences of the catastrophe until the situation becomes very critical for the entire humankind. Then, they start to do something, but, again for some unknown reason, they invent very complicated decisions, although they might have invented foreign specialists who would have helped them to build waste treatment facilities a long time ago. This would have been much cheaper and much more effective.”
Igor Ostretsov, nuclear scientist and manager during 1986 Chernobyl disaster, Jan. 22, 2014: “It shouldn’t be forgotten that radioactive emissions at the Fukushima power plant are still taking place all the time since the beginning of the catastrophe. The reactors are cooling, the plant’s workers don’t know what they should do with the water that cools the reactors, and simply pour it into the sea. This may lead to nothing than elimination of fish resources, however toughly controlled the process may be.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...out-fukushima/

* every bluefin tuna caught in the waters off California in a Stanford University study was found to be contaminated with cesium-137,

* the Japanese government enacted a new State Secrets Act which can restrict—with a penalty of 10 years in jail—reporting on Fukushima.

* A death toll of up to 600,000 is estimated in a study conducted for the Nordic Probabilistic Safety Assessment Group which is run by the nuclear utilities of Finland and Sweden.

* it is now widely understood that there is no “safe” level of radioactivity. Any amount can kill.